Trim to Alpha in Landing Config

[Birdman25]

Hi All,

 

 

So I played the F-18 last weekend with an A/B model driver. He was mostly complimentary, noting there is still a lot of things yet to be implemented. His biggest gripe was the lack of trim to alpha functionality when the jet is in landing config.

 

 

 

Apparently IRL once the gear and flaps are set, the trim up/down hat selects an alpha which is displayed on the right side of the hud. Once the trim is set to the correct alpha there should be no need for forward/back stick input, only throttle input.

 

 

Is this feature on the development roadmap, even if in the far future?

 

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

(His other annoyances were the lack of TWS which I know is in development, and that when a waypoint is designated as a target, the FLIR does not attempt to snap to that position.)

[Darcwaynard]

I've been able to trim in landing config since release. Maybe double check your bindings. Little to no need to use the stick for pitch and once downwind in land config it's all throttle for altitude.

 

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[Tholozor]

In regards to the AoA HUD readout: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3553160&postcount=13

[Thump]

Trimming to on-speed AoA has the same effect. Just don't get a fancy number in the lower right it seems.

[majapahit]

alpha is at the bottom of the fcs page

then again the bracket is also there in NAV HUD

 

personally I land 1/2 flaps ~175kts, works every time, correct for heavy

I have decades of FSX flying, you land with the center line in between your knees, is what civil aviation does

Edited October 28, 2019 by majapahit

[bbrz]

personally I land 1/2 flaps ~175kts, works every time, correct for heavy

I have decades of FSX flying, you land with the center line in between your knees, is what civil aviation does

Where did you get the info from that 1/2 flaps is correct?

 

Note: Centerline between the knees only works in single or tandem seat aircraft ;)

[majapahit]

Where did you get the info from that 1/2 flaps is correct?

It's the 'straight in' / short break in a hurry, prob not allowed in Airforce, but Navy landbased, who knows, it's what I would do, fc*k clown pilots

 

Note: Centerline between the knees only works in single or tandem seat aircraft ;)

Actually, indeed, then again I heard a recording of a jet passenger pilot who phrased this over ATC, so, whatever

[JayBird]

personally I land 1/2 flaps ~175kts, works every time, correct for heavy

I have decades of FSX flying, you land with the center line in between your knees, is what civil aviation does

 

Despite your decades of FSX flying, this is incorrect.

 

According to the NATOPS the F-A-18C is to be landed with full flaps. Every time.

 

You also don't fly a landing with V-speeds like you do in civil aviation, you land with specific AOA on the jet: 6.9 to 8.1 degrees on a glideslope on 3.5 degrees

[bbrz]

It's the 'straight in' / short break in a hurry..

This doesn't make much sense since VFE is the same for flaps half and full.

Hence, especially if you are in a hurry, you are faster with flaps full, since you can reduce the speed later due to the higher drag ;)

 

@Jaybird, there are a few emergencies where you do land the F/A-18 with half flaps on the carrier and on a runway.

[majapahit]

This doesn't make much sense since VFE is the same for flaps half and full.

Hence, especially if you are in a hurry, you are faster with flaps full, since you can reduce the speed later due to the higher drag ;)

What has VFE to do with anything when landing?

 

Short track, half flaps, means one particularly wants to stay away from stall speeds, which in a FA18 with wings the size of breakfast plates makes for a hazardous exercise, when one starts rolling at 175kts, you squirt some more gas in the carburetor.

 

NATOPS is for pussies

 

Like my KLM friend ones said 'fly the plane on the tarmac'

Edited October 28, 2019 by majapahit

[bbrz]

1. What has VFE to do with anything when landing?

 

2. half flaps, means one particularly wants to stay away from stall speeds'

1. Seriously?

 

2. if you want to stay away from stall speed you reduce the flap setting?

[Harker]

one particularly wants to stay away from stall speeds, which in a FA18 with wings the size of breakfast plates makes for a hazardous exercise

The FA-18 is ridiculously stable at low speeds, are you kidding? With full flaps, you need to actually try to get it to stall. If being fully controllable at 130 knots, in a landing configuration is not enough, I don't know what is.

[JayBird]

@Jaybird, there are a few emergencies where you do land the F/A-18 with half flaps on the carrier and on a runway.

 

Yes a few emergencies will result in a HALF Flaps landing being the best option such as a LEF failure.

 

What has VFE to do with anything when landing?

 

Short track, half flaps, means one particularly wants to stay away from stall speeds, which in a FA18 with wings the size of breakfast plates makes for a hazardous exercise, when one starts rolling at 175kts, you squirt some more gas in the carburetor.

 

NATOPS is for pussies

 

Like my KLM friend ones said 'fly the plane on the tarmac'

 

The Hornet has excellent slow-speed maneuverability, whether that's in a BFM environment, or around the boat in for landing. Leaving the flaps in the half setting probably would be the reason you're "so close" to stalling...

[majapahit]

reduce flaps when coming in high speed approach, initial 500kts, final 240kts and not wanting to balloon

stay away from stall because you'd drop like a brick and you'll roll without too much warning when heavy

 

fly 130kts trapping with 3 fuel tanks and a couple of left overs and watch

 

NATOPS is for pussies

Edited October 28, 2019 by majapahit

[bbrz]

...you'd drop like a brick and you'll roll without too much warning when heavy

With the two levers on the left side of the cockpit you can counter the drop-like-a-brick tendency ;)

[majapahit]

too late

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/f/1/8/7/1257469176344238921cpdjca-md.png

[bbrz]

?

[JayBird]

too late

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/f/1/8/7/1257469176344238921cpdjca-md.png

 

I think he means the reins, you know the thing that makes the horse pull the wagon

[majapahit]

?

 

 

I think you're confusing the camshaft regulator