tflash Posted January 11, 2008 Author Posted January 11, 2008 Whoops! I would not like to have been this pilot, having your aircraft just going the other way in mid flight!!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
TucksonSonny Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 It can’t be so hard to replace the weak parts with new (alu) ones (thanks to good old rivets). You can measure metal fatigue! Recently I saw a documentary of British elite ground troops fighting against Taliban troops in Afghanistan and the good old F-15 was dropping 3 bombs of 250lbs on the Taliban troops (40 Taliban were killed with that action). My point is: good old F-15 was doing his job there (not the new fancy stuff like f-22’s) DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
Eagle Driver Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 I seriously almost cried when I saw that boneyard pic, I honestly started shaking! That is the most horrific picture I've ever seen! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] If you fly a perfect Defensive BFM and the bandit does a perfect Offensive... Someone you know is going to be recieving Insurance money very soon.
RvETito Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 I don't get it. Why the USAF still bothers with this plastic plane instead of buying brand new Flankers? :D "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
GGTharos Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 Because it can take down a squadron of flankers for every little plastic plane shot down? ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
RvETito Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 4 minutes?! GG, you're getting slower ;) "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Rhen Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 It's a 30 year old airframe, built by the lowest bidder - don't get me wrong, It's saved my ass and is the best aircraft I've flown to date. But if you're wondering - in the heat of battle - whether your own aircraft will bite you in the ass in a hard turn, then it's time to move on to something newer. I believe that Mick-2, the mishap aircraft was involved in a 3.3 G pull at the time. The longeron was thinner then spec and not machined correctly. This led to two cracks in the longeron. As I've said in another thread, we in the Eagle community routinely pull 5-7 Gs most sorties, so 30 years of "hair on fire" pulling G's, going supersonic will stress normal components, not to mention defective ones. Unfortunately there's more aircraft out there that have these defective longerons installed in them.
ED Team Groove Posted January 14, 2008 ED Team Posted January 14, 2008 They are back, at least most of them. Save as: http://www.acc.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-080110-023.wmv Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
GGTharos Posted January 14, 2008 Posted January 14, 2008 I'm getting older, it's hurting my reflexes! 4 minutes?! GG, you're getting slower ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
tflash Posted January 21, 2008 Author Posted January 21, 2008 The specialized press like AFM is quite serious about this incident: fact is that a couple of hundred F-15A-B-C-D's remain grounded, and as the replacement of the faulty longeron seems a costly measure, it is quite probable that many of those aircraft will never fly again. This means a lot of ANG pilots are suddenly without flight hours. Can you imagine losing 200 aircraft overnight? seems like a BOB scenario. ANG F-16C's are taking on the homeland defense flights. Makes me wonder if an F-35A ADF variant wouldn't be a good choice? I'm sure a Block 50 Viper is already good at this, an F-35A focussed on A2A should be more than adequate. Imho the too expensive nature of the F-22 brought the USAF to this disaster in the first place. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
tflash Posted February 2, 2008 Author Posted February 2, 2008 And yet again: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327786,00.html They keep falling from the sky. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Eagle Driver Posted February 2, 2008 Posted February 2, 2008 :cry: This is not looking good for the mighty Eagle. It's going to be F-14 all over again! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] If you fly a perfect Defensive BFM and the bandit does a perfect Offensive... Someone you know is going to be recieving Insurance money very soon.
tflash Posted February 17, 2008 Author Posted February 17, 2008 Some more info: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=25584 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
p_o_d_2_2 Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/jetcrash/index.html?eref=rss_topstories Two more F-15's went down today :( Hope the pilots are ok.
X-man Posted February 20, 2008 Posted February 20, 2008 F-15 is getting a bad reputation... Hope the pilots are ok :( 64th Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 135.181.115.54
D-Scythe Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 F-15 is getting a bad reputation... Hope the pilots are ok :( Bad reputation for a mid-air? I wonder what plane *does* have a good reputation for mid-airs then. Hmm.
X-man Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 Bad reputation for a mid-air? I wonder what plane *does* have a good reputation for mid-airs then. Hmm. Well, we avaition-geeks obviously knows that a mid-air is probably not related to manufactuer error. But for the general public, who hears about all these F-15 crashes... Apperently the have found the pilots; http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/jetcrash/index.html :cry: (CNN) -- An Air Force fighter pilot died Wednesday after two F-15C jets collided during a training exercise over the Gulf of Mexico, according to Air Force officials. Two F-15C fighter jets, like the one pictured, collided over the Gulf of Mexico, the Air Force says. The planes were from the 33rd Fighter Wing, a combat-flying unit out of Eglin Air Force Base, near Pensacola, Florida. A spokesman for the wing said the pilot died after having been rescued by a fishing boat and transported to the hospital at the base. The pilot of the other jet was also rescued and was listed in good condition, he said. The crash happened at about 3 p.m. ET, about 50 miles south of Tyndall Air Force Base which is in Panama City, Florida. A statement from the 33rd said the pilots were rescued at about 6 p.m. ET. "The 33rd FW Nomads and Team Eglin have suffered a great loss today and my heart goes out to the family and friends of our former airman," said wing commander Col. Todd Harmer in a written statement. "We will continue to do everything we can to assist our families and airmen at this tragic time." Capt. Jim McPherson of the Coast Guard told CNN the crew of a Coast Guard aircraft on a training mission spotted a parachute dropping into the Gulf Wednesday afternoon. The crew used radar and an automated identification system to detect a fishing boat in the area and directed that boat to the area where the parachute landed. The Air Force was not identifying the pilots late Wednesday pending notification of their families. Harmer said both were "assigned to the wing for quite some time." He said the Air Force will convene a board of officers to investigate the crash and determine its cause 64th Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 135.181.115.54
VMFA117_Poko Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 High Flight Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air. Up, up the long delirious, burning blue, I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace Where never lark, or even eagle flew - And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod The high untresspassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand and touched the face of God.Rest in Peace
Pilotasso Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 If anyhting should be criticized is not the F-15 but the toning down in AA training in the last decade. F-15 is 30 years old. They have far outlived the migs of their era. It was expected that they needed replacement. .
RedTiger Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 Well, we avaition-geeks obviously knows that a mid-air is probably not related to manufactuer error. But for the general public, who hears about all these F-15 crashes... Apperently the have found the pilots; http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/jetcrash/index.html :cry: This is to be expected. The media is made up of people who have no expertise in anything, really, but are programmed to try and "get the scoop" and "ask the tough questions", facts, technical info, perspective, and people's lives be damned. They don't care. Public media is a necessary evil, but still an evil, I'm afraid. :mad: My opinion of it is about a maximum of zilch.
RedTiger Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 If anyhting should be criticized is not the F-15 but the toning down in AA training in the last decade. F-15 is 30 years old. They have far outlived the migs of their era. It was expected that they needed replacement. That would require the media to have some knowledge about something other than pumping out "news" 24 hours a day. Peter Jennings once said that news was a "rough draft of history". Well, consider me your college professor. I wad your rough draft up and throw it in the garbage until you do your research, get all the details correct and present me with a final product. :D The media never does this as this isn't really their job, so they'll always get a big fat F from me.
tflash Posted February 21, 2008 Author Posted February 21, 2008 Well, what about the USAF's own responsibilities? Moseley and USAF high-brass have been so biologized by their Cold war wet dream F-22 that they allowed extreme cost overruns and delays. Mind you that the F-22 is still not sufficiently operational to take over even the simple QRA flights from grounded Eagles. At the same time, they gave insufficient priority to F-35 since this was a "joint" project and so only their "tenth" priority, which means the F-16's are next in line to get in trouble by over-age. Both Boeing and Lockheed have many times offered to fill the gaps with new-built F-15E/F-16C's. The USAF never wanted to, still hoping to force the politicians and the tax-payers to buy even more overpriced non-operational high-tech showbirds. I'm sorry, but if the USAF is in deep trouble and pilots have to risk their lives in 30-year old airframes, I really do not think it is the media that is to blame. When will people realize that money doesn't come out of nothing? The unjustified extra money for F-22 has not been going in keeping the hard-working rest of the USAF airworthy. At the University, it is my job to fire engineers that cause cost overrruns on their projects. And I damn know how important that is. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mvsgas Posted February 21, 2008 Posted February 21, 2008 The main thing I get from that news report is that somebody lost their life in this unfortunate accident. Some mother and father lost their son/daughter and (Hope not) some spouse is having to figure out what is the next step after her husband/wife died. Having to explain to her/his children (and again I really hope he/she was single and with no kids) how come Papa/Mama did not come home today. It is unfortunate that we keep losing F-15. It is a tragedy (I think anyway) that someone lost their life in this acccident. Hope his family will get better and my hart goes out to them. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
tflash Posted February 21, 2008 Author Posted February 21, 2008 You're right, my rant was inappropriate. . [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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