Eagerly awaited aircraft for DCS World

[SovietAce]

 

It is not.. NineLine stated on Reddit "brain melter won't satisfy any RedFor dreams".

 

So another BLUEFOR jet. How dissapointing. I just hope its F-111 or another strike aircraft, so at least I can have new hostile unit for my missions :D. If its going to be F-117, that will be good too. At least they finaly fix its broken damage model.

[Dragon1-1]

I suspect the "brain melter" won't have much actual utility in scenarios. I would not expect F-111 (though it can't be excluded) due to problems with side by side multicrew, and Stinkbug is pretty much right out (it's actually a very primitive jet).

 

It's the F-35, Rafale, or something else in that general category. Besides the "shiny new toys" crowd, most people are asking for older jets, or for Russian jets, with competitive multiplayer crowd wanting modern Russian jets. Since the latter three aren't happening, it means the new module will pander to the former. The only other thing that kind of fits is the F-111, and even then, I think that's a rather niche bird.

 

I suppose competitive multiplayer people should start looking to MiG-21 vs. F-5 servers now (or Mirage vs. MiG-29, at most), because an F-35 unrestricted ones will inevitably clobber anything RedFor has. :) Myself, I don't care much for the Lightning, but the shiny toys people would be very happy for sure.

[Fri13]

DCS loses its interest when it is so heavily weighted for the western aircrafts (and that means all aircrafts with western instruments). This doesn't mean that such aircrafts shouldn't be done, but when it is so much same and same it gets boring. Even the interesting F-4 that was from cold war era didn't get out sooner.

[bies]

IIRC Nick or some other ED official said in last interview they would like to make F-22 or F-35 but it's impossible because they wouldn't have a license and they would have to made up nearly everything, it would be totally unrealistic so it would be pointless as they want to make everything as realistic as possible.

[Seaeagle]

IIRC they said at some point that it isn't an old aircraft, but not "new new" either and that it was "a challenge to fly" - which would pretty much rule out any recent types(F-35, F-22. Rafale, Gripen etc).

 

 

 

 

[Seaeagle]

I would not expect F-111 (though it can't be excluded) due to problems with side by side multicrew..

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I wouldn't be so sure - its actually starting to look like a likely candidate when you take all the teaser tidbits into consideration;

 

- not old(like WWII), but not "new new" either

- a challenge to fly(which AFAIK would fit)

- very complex

- eagerly awaited

 

The "milestone" they talk about could exactly be connected with the multicrew aspect.

 

It's the F-35, Rafale, or something else in that general category. Besides the "shiny new toys" crowd, most people are asking for older jets, or for Russian jets, with competitive multiplayer crowd wanting modern Russian jets. Since the latter three aren't happening, it means the new module will pander to the former. The only other thing that kind of fits is the F-111, and even then, I think that's a rather niche bird.

 

Don't believe for a second that its something like a F-35 or Rafale - aside from not fitting with several of the things they said about their "brain melter", there simply wouldn't be enough documentation available for a full fidelity module.....probably not even for a reasonably realistic FC3 one.

 

 

 

[Dragon1-1]

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- not old(like WWII), but not "new new" either.

Where did that one come from? I haven't seen the "not new" aspect mentioned before. If so, the F-111F would be the only possible candidate, by virtue of being the only 4th gen US jet they haven't done yet. I agree, working side by side multicrew does fit the "milestone" part really nicely.

 

I'd say, that would be really good news if that was the case.

[Fri13]

- eagerly awaited

 

That is a point that I think is little off as one can't wait something that is unknown to be ever coming. "Eagerly wish for" could be better word for it as then it can be anything.

And there is always the question "wished by whom?". As there are so many all kind wishes and dreams and all, that there are only one that comes over anything and it is F-111. And even that is only because vocal minority keeps mentioning it all around forum.

 

So if we drop other possibilities just by the other requirements (not mentioned, not teased etc) then that list of aircraft for future becomes possibly zero.

[Fri13]

IIRC they said at some point that it isn't an old aircraft, but not "new new" either and that it was "a challenge to fly" - which would pretty much rule out any recent types(F-35, F-22. Rafale, Gripen etc).

 

That is pretty cryptic then. A challenge to fly and "not old".

 

What is context of "not old"?

- As not an aircraft that manufacturing has ended 50 years ago?

- As not an aircraft that is not factory new, but still supported?

 

Challenge to fly?

- As that you need a co-pilot?

- As that it is some kind "button simulator" or you don't see outside as it is "black box with small holes" or "unstable aircraft that wants to kill you as soon as possible!"?

 

 

 

[Seaeagle]

Where did that one come from? I haven't seen the "not new" aspect mentioned before.

 

I am pretty sure I saw that quoted somewhere(maybe buried in this thread) - something along the lines of "not old, but not the newest either". But it gets a little difficult to keep track of all those hints, so I could be mistaken :) .

 

If so, the F-111F would be the only possible candidate, by virtue of being the only 4th gen US jet they haven't done yet. I agree, working side by side multicrew does fit the "milestone" part really nicely.

 

Ah I wouldn't say that it would make it the only possible candidate, but I agree that it looks like a strong candidate, considering what has been ruled out; anything RedFor, Tornado, F-4, F-15E, F-15C(I think) etc.

 

I'd say, that would be really good news if that was the case.

 

Yeah I agree.

 

 

[Seaeagle]

 

..And there is always the question "wished by whom?".

 

Indeed.

 

As there are so many all kind wishes and dreams and all, that there are only one that comes over anything and it is F-111. And even that is only because vocal minority keeps mentioning it all around forum.

 

Yes I agree - you can always find something that someone is awaiting eagerly, so I don't know how indicative that is........could just be PR talk :) . I think the bit about being "a challenge to fly" is a more interesting hint.

 

 

 

[Seaeagle]

 

That is pretty cryptic then. A challenge to fly and "not old".

 

What is context of "not old"?

- As not an aircraft that manufacturing has ended 50 years ago?

- As not an aircraft that is not factory new, but still supported?

 

Challenge to fly?

- As that you need a co-pilot?

- As that it is some kind "button simulator" or you don't see outside as it is "black box with small holes" or "unstable aircraft that wants to kill you as soon as possible!"?

 

Yes its cryptic and I am sure thats intentional :) . Its obviously just my own interpretations, but to me it sounds as not being old means not a WWII orKorean war era type and "a challenge to fly" as the aircraft itself being demanding on the pilot - as opposed to "a challenge to operate" due to system's complexity or/and need for a co-pilot/RIO. Mind you, they did say that it was "very complex", so who knows :)

 

 

[Dragon1-1]

Ah I wouldn't say that it would make it the only possible candidate, but I agree that it looks like a strong candidate, considering what has been ruled out; anything RedFor, Tornado, F-4, F-15E, F-15C(I think) etc.

Well, then, what do you think it could be, besides F-111? Because a few pages back we definitely excluded everything but a handful of planes, most of which are very much new.

 

I suppose Rafale-M would make the cut, depending on how you look at it. It was introduced almost 20 years ago, after all. It would be just another 4th gen fighter, though, not really a milestone, unless you count "first non-US, non-Russian aircraft by ED" as such.

[SovietAce]

Theoretically it could be non-US aircraft. Perhaps Mirage V, Sepecat Jaguar, Super Étendard etc. Which I might actually buy :). I´m not sure hoewer if those ones are "eagerly awaited."

 

 

[Seaeagle]

Well, then, what do you think it could be, besides F-111? Because a few pages back we definitely excluded everything but a handful of planes, most of which are very much new.

 

Well I don't know - B-1 Lancer?.....SR-71(that would be "mind melting" :D ) .

 

I suppose Rafale-M would make the cut, depending on how you look at it. It was introduced almost 20 years ago, after all. It would be just another 4th gen fighter, though, not really a milestone, unless you count "first non-US, non-Russian aircraft by ED" as such.

 

But a "challenge to fly"?. Besides, Dassault has a reputation of being very "tight-lipped" about their products(even old Mirage variants), so I find it a little difficult to believe that ED could get a licence to do a "full fidelity" module of their latest design.

[Seaeagle]

Theoretically it could be non-US aircraft. Perhaps Mirage V, Sepecat Jaguar, Super Étendard etc. Which I might actually buy :). I´m not sure hoewer if those ones are "eagerly awaited".

 

Hmm - the Jaguar might fit that bill("eagerly awaited") and, as Dragon1-1 suggested, considered a "milestone" as the first European jet by ED......but "very complex"?

 

 

[Jester986]

It's going to be another boring Jdam/amraam truck.

[Dragon1-1]

Well, the F-111F couldn't carry either, so you'd be in luck. :) What it did have was lots of LGBs.

Well I don't know - B-1 Lancer?.....SR-71(that would be "mind melting" :D ) .

Those all fail the "hotly anticipated" test. Nobody really wants either of them. SR-71 would be useless, and the B-1 would be very limited in utility. They both operate on a scale vastly larger than what DCS can provide. We're looking at something people had been asking for, and this alone takes out most non-obvious candidates.

 

Jaguar, aside from being rather obscure, is an old, fairly simple attack aircraft. It's not the kind of complexity that was implied.

But a "challenge to fly"?. Besides, Dassault has a reputation of being very "tight-lipped" about their products(even old Mirage variants), so I find it a little difficult to believe that ED could get a licence to do a "full fidelity" module of their latest design.

I don't know how Rafale handles, maybe it has some obtuse switchology that makes it harder to fly than it should be. :) That said, I never really thought it was a prime candidate. I mentioned some time ago that Dassault doesn't like flightsimmers in general. They allowed RAZBAM to make the M-2000C, but in general, they have treated flightsimmers rather badly in the past. I doubt they'd care much for licensing Rafale to ED, even an early 2000s version.

[lmp]

What is "hotly anticipated" these days though? Mind you, I'm not arguing in favour of the Blackbird or B-1, I really have no clue. It used to be "modern multirole fighter" until we got the Hornet. Then everyone wanted the F-16 and we got that too. Now if I were to pick one thing most people wanted more than anything else, I honestly don't know. Plenty people want the Phantom, a modern Russian jet, one of the many European jets... I don't think they're going on about any of those? Of course, everybody has their favourites, but is anything really more "hotly anticipated" or "eagerly awaited" than the others?

[Viper1970]

AH-64 Apache, is my bet. But only an A model I think. An AH-64D Longbow would really be mind blowing.

[lmp]

Don't quote me on this, but I think the AH-64A has been as good as confirmed for some time now. Also "brain melter" and "milestone" are not exactly the adjectives I would use (we'll already have the Hind). I'm also unaware that it is particularly challenging to fly, unless you consider all helicopters challenging. I'm sure it will be a rightfully popular helicopter module, but I don't think it fits the criteria.

[Dragon1-1]

Plenty people want the Phantom, a modern Russian jet, one of the many European jets... I don't think they're going on about any of those?

 

They want a lot of things that ED had already confirmed this module is not. In fact, it's definitely not one of the top pics, but the F-111F does have a following, especially on Heatblur board, and it's the only aircraft that does that also passes all the checks. It's challenging to fly (swing wings, old-ish avionics), is not new, but not very old, either, it's a rather complex jet, and side by side multicrew is indeed a milestone that Huey and Hip communities have been waiting for years for. It's mind-melting because of its unique design and role, and it's not RedFor, has never been announced or even teased, and also quite importantly, it's a ground pounder, which seems to be what most of ED's customer base is interested in.

[bies]

F-111 would be great to be honest, it's not a FBW JDAM truck.

 

And it took part in real serious wars where enemy was also able to inflict loses, like Vietnam or Gulf War.

 

Or Apache, both passes all the checks, but Apache is more brain melting and more eagerly awaited. And they already have Apache coded for their military branch.

 

Apache looks like more obvious seller. I mean F-111 is also great but Apache.. It would be enough to see the poster in their shop "DCS Apache" and man is sold, everyone would like to have Apache. F-111 is a bit more refined choice.

 

BTW. Imagine seating in VR inside modern graphics Apache, with IHADSS.

[Qiou87]

Don't quote me on this, but I think the AH-64A has been as good as confirmed for some time now.

 

I think it has been heavily teased, and at some point ED said they were going to work on it once Hind was released (Q1 2021 as I understand from Mr. Pearson's last interview). But yes, Apache is out due to being already teased, it wouldn't be a surprise.

[Viper1970]

I hope it is the Apache. It's really missing in DCS! And I really hope it is at least an early D-model. Only thing that still is missing then, is the Mudhen. Sadly this bird is on hold now and who knows if it will return to live again the next 5 years or more. If those 2 modules become truth (and the Kiowa), we nearly have a full package of "modern" blue military aircraft.

 

What's still missing is the red side. Sadly we will probably never see a MI-28 or a KA-52 and even so no more modern russian jets. Because of this, I think it could be an outstanding advantage to make the cockpits of the FC3 modules also clickable (only the systems which are modelled for sure), so that they could really be used with VR. I also did not understand why the announced "Modern Air Combat" will not support clickable pits, so you really could use those birds in VR too.

 

MAC could not only be a chance to get some more people to the simulation hobby, but also a chance to built some modules which aren't possible in terms of secret systems. I think it shouldn't be only a croped version of the high end modules. It could be a chance to achieve some birds we otherwise would never see in DCS, cause of multiple restrictions. They should be as accurate as possible be modelled, for sure, but only with the "this is the way it could function in real life" option.

 

"Only 150%-Realism" Hardcore People who don't like this simply shouldn't buy it and for MP it could be regulated on the servers. Just my opinion.