Aviators Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Who among you uses this spring for the warthog stick? Warthog Green Springs I don't know whether to buy a virpil stick or replace the original spring with this green. L'importante non è stabilire se uno ha paura o meno, è saper convivere con la propria paura e non farsi condizionare dalla stessa. Ecco, il coraggio è questo, altrimenti non è più coraggio ma incoscienza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob10 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Can't comment on what you should do, but with a "stock" warthog stick the green spring has completely changed it for me. Partly because of my setup/stick location I nearly killed my shoulder trying to learn AAR with the original spring. Green spring makes it comfortable to use while still giving me enough tension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twwhitey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Can't comment on what you should do, but with a "stock" warthog stick the green spring has completely changed it for me. Partly because of my setup/stick location I nearly killed my shoulder trying to learn AAR with the original spring. Green spring makes it comfortable to use while still giving me enough tension. Ditto this. Without going the Warthog stick “extension” route swapping out for this spring made ALL the difference in the world especially when it comes to AAR. I’m immensely more proficient than I ever thought was possible... the stock spring is way too firm for precise maneuvering especially when you turn on wake turbulence and need to incorporate a sustained hold in a particular direction. Highly recommend it was worth every penny if you are considering it... i9-9900K @ 5.0GHz, ASUS ROG Z390 MAXIMUS XI HERO, ASUS GeForce RTX 2080Ti 11GB, 32GB DDR4 @ 3866MHZ, 1TB Intel 660P M.2 NVMe SSD, 1TB WD Black SN750 NVMe SSD, Oculus Rift S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Bought it, love it. Almost impossible to fly precise without extension or green spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviators Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 Thanks a lot for the feedback. At this point, instead of buying new virpil products, I only change the spring and I get the same result. In addition to changing the spring, have you also used some type of oil or grease for the internal components that creates friction? L'importante non è stabilire se uno ha paura o meno, è saper convivere con la propria paura e non farsi condizionare dalla stessa. Ecco, il coraggio è questo, altrimenti non è più coraggio ma incoscienza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I have only owned it for about six months, and keep Sahaj's dust covers over them when not in use. I have not found that binding/friction is an issue so far, so I have not bothered to lube it past what factory lube it already has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviators Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 Thanks ;) L'importante non è stabilire se uno ha paura o meno, è saper convivere con la propria paura e non farsi condizionare dalla stessa. Ecco, il coraggio è questo, altrimenti non è più coraggio ma incoscienza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlacleyCole Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I’m still using the stock spring but when I’m setup for flight in the pit I have added two long extensions to raise the grip to the correct height with the base on the floor .theres a spring made for an extension but I never swapped it out yet since I was flying helos at the time I may swap it out but I’m going to try it as is first if I need a center stop I will have to change it out. My f16 stick is a modded cougar stick mounted to my right. BlackeyCole 20years usaf XP-11. Dcs 2.5OB Acer predator laptop/ i7 7720, 2.4ghz, 32 gb ddr4 ram, 500gb ssd,1tb hdd,nvidia 1080 8gb vram New FlightSim Blog at https://blackeysblog.wordpress.com. Go visit it and leave me feedback and or comments so I can make it better. A new post every Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D0rmicum Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 At this point, instead of buying new virpil products, I only change the spring and I get the same result. Well in my opinion you can‘t compare it so easy. The TM Warthog with the green spring and no extension is a very good combination and the green spring is a big step forward. Nevertheless I think you can‘t compare it to a Virpil base with extension. For me the Virpil base with extension and a TM grip (either Warthog or F/A-18) is a huge improvement over the TM base without extension. But of course that‘s a matter of taste and budget. Modules and maps: all of them :doh: Specs: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-I, Intel i7-8086K@4.9GHz, 32GB Corsair Vengance RAM, Nvidia RTX 2080 FE, 2x1 TB Samsung EVO 970 M.2, WIN10 64bit, HP Reverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reschke Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) I've got some PTFE rings similar to the silicon rings he offers that I have had sitting on my desk since the first issues with the rings was discovered way back in 2011-2012 from the first WH's. I haven't had any issues and a guy from over at SimHQ sent them to me as a test bed should mine ever have any problems. Here I am almost 10 years later with the stock springs and no issues with the internals but I have also not used the WH for about 5 years until the last few weeks. Certainly interested in these springs he has for sale. Is there anyone with a spring option that isn't over $50 US including shipping? Edited February 15, 2020 by reschke Warthog #1397...compliments of SimHQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob10 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Certainly interested in these springs he has for sale. Is there anyone with a spring option that isn't over $50 US including shipping? Do some searching here. I know back when I was first poking around there were posts about what people were doing with modifying either the stock spring (cutting it down) or a bought spring to get things to where they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reschke Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Do some searching here. I know back when I was first poking around there were posts about what people were doing with modifying either the stock spring (cutting it down) or a bought spring to get things to where they wanted. Thanks Rob10 I'll keep looking around. I haven't had much time for a lot of things the last day or so. Warthog #1397...compliments of SimHQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Installed the green spring yesterday and in the same time sanded the rough edges of the gimbals a bit and greased it up again. Movement is great, a lot better then the original stock spring but stil not close to what i was used to with my Uber2 Cougar. One thing i do have is with the green spring installed is that the stick doesn't return from full forward movement to center on it's own. It doesn't really stick in that position because if i gently touch it, it will smoothly move back with no additional force applied and no senced friction. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just watched the install video again and when the stick is moved forward it also needs a finger to move it back (neer the end of the video). Mine just seems to stick a little bit more. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMGZ06 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I ordered a green spring from Sahaj and it shipped back on the 7th. Been sitting in NY USPS facility it says since the 11th but he was also out of the silicone rings that I ordered and no info on when he will have more. System Specs: 13900K, Strix Z790 Gaming E, MSI 4090 Sprim Liquid X OC'd, 64gb Gskill Trident Z DDR5, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 SSD,. Winwing throttle, Winwing panels/MIPs and VKB GF3/MCGU stick, MFG Crosswind V2, HP REVERB G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc70s Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I tried the green spring and it seemed to me to make the stick too floppy. Replaced the original spring and added the shortest extension. The extra leverage was, for me, the better solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 The green spring is not bad but doesn't completely cut it. Very slow precise movement still isn't possible although a lot better then with the original spring. Friction is still to high for my taste, coming from a Uber2 Cougar. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviators Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 Green spring tested. Really comfortable! Personally, I feel comfortable without an extension and with the green spring. L'importante non è stabilire se uno ha paura o meno, è saper convivere con la propria paura e non farsi condizionare dalla stessa. Ecco, il coraggio è questo, altrimenti non è più coraggio ma incoscienza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 After explaining my reasons for wanting an extension for my Thrushmaster Warthog HOTAS, I purchased a short extension w/the green spring, and a set of covers from Sahaj. I am very pleased as it has made a huge improvement in joystick precision for me. Everything was packed exceptionally well and on my door in 10 days. Not bad for 5,016 miles. He communicated very well during the process. I would buy from him again and would recommend him to anyone. I had recently sent my TM Warthog to Canada for warranty work. It took 6 business days to get a RMA number from them. Then it took 9 days for the turn around and back to me. It had to go through Customs twice. It was held up 1 day on the return leg. I felt that was about normal. I am reasonably new to DCS. I have read the forums for a year or so, but only recently got started with the actual sim. I certainly appreciate everyone's contribution to this forum and look forward to the challenges of improving my skills. Thank you, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMGZ06 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I got the Green spring finally and it honestly makes the stick less accurate and floppy. I am not getting any response from them regarding the silicone o-ring I ordered either. He said they didnt have them before the spring shipped but I emailed them last week about the oring and never heard back. Guess I should just write it off. System Specs: 13900K, Strix Z790 Gaming E, MSI 4090 Sprim Liquid X OC'd, 64gb Gskill Trident Z DDR5, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 SSD,. Winwing throttle, Winwing panels/MIPs and VKB GF3/MCGU stick, MFG Crosswind V2, HP REVERB G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 The green spring won't feel it's best unless you have a very smooth gimble. Sanding it and using a different grease helps a lot. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VpR81 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 The green spring won't feel it's best unless you have a very smooth gimble. Sanding it and using a different grease helps a lot. Very true, but i wouldn't recommend that for a brandnew stick. Switching springs, take it apart and regreasing the gimbal is ok with TM, but sanding the gimbal will void warranty. Phanteks EvolvX / Win 11 / i9 12900K / MSI Z690 Carbon / MSI Suprim RTX 3090 / 64GB G.Skill Trident Z DDR5-6000 / 1TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD / 2TB PCIe 3.0 NVMe SSD / 2TB SATA SSD / 1TB SATA SSD / Alphacool Eisbaer Aurora Pro 360 / beQuiet StraightPower 1200W RSEAT S1 / VPC T50 CM2 + 300mm extension + Realsimulator F18 CGRH / VPC WarBRD + TM Warthog grip / WinWing F/A-18 Super Taurus + F-15EX / 4x TM Cougar MFD / Slaw Device RX Viper V3 / HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 If their gimbal was of better quality, it wouldn't be needed to sand it. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMGZ06 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 If their gimbal was of better quality, it wouldn't be needed to sand it. You speak the truth! I do not want to have to re engineer their product to work like it should. Hopefully I will get a Virpil base when this insanity is all over. System Specs: 13900K, Strix Z790 Gaming E, MSI 4090 Sprim Liquid X OC'd, 64gb Gskill Trident Z DDR5, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 SSD,. Winwing throttle, Winwing panels/MIPs and VKB GF3/MCGU stick, MFG Crosswind V2, HP REVERB G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Very true, but i wouldn't recommend that for a brandnew stick. Switching springs, take it apart and regreasing the gimbal is ok with TM, but sanding the gimbal will void warranty. TM will never see my gimbal. ;) Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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