ILS cross and runway

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Hi guys,

 

I've watched the only two? YouTube 'tutorials' on JF-17 ILS landing and went through Chuck's guide. Tried landing with ILS at Senaki (Caucasus). The ILS cross never seems to line up with the runway. I mean I can approach the correct runway head on (in broad daylight) but the ILS localizer on the HUD always seems off to the left or right. I can't imagine landing safely in poor visibility if I were to follow the ILS. Am I missing something? Any tips?

 

Cheers

[foxwxl]

Make sure you have select the correct AFB & RWY to land, since the JF17 only show the AFB WPT not name, so better cross check the F10 ILS feq. with APR page ILS channel & the kneeboard ILS channel/feq. chart.

[Rudel_chw]

Strange, Senaki’s ILS works fine with my JF-17:

 

 

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[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

I still can't get the ILS localizer to line up with the runway. I created this mission in Caucasus and am trying out ILS landing in Senaki. It's runway 27 with a course of 275deg true. All set up seems about right? but the localiser never lines up. I tried the opposite direction (runway 09) just in case but it also doesn't line up. Do I need to enter the ILS frequency somewhere?

 

Edited March 18, 2023 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[Ramsay]

I still can't get the ILS localizer to line up with the runway. Here's my track. I created this mission in Caucasus and am trying out ILS landing in Senaki. It's runway 27 with a course of 275deg true. All set up seems about right? but the localiser never lines up. I tried the opposite direction (runway 09) just in case but it also doesn't line up. Do I need to enter the ILS frequency somewhere?

 

Your mission has a 2 m/s (4 knots) ground wind towards 150°T, as a result Senaki ATC is using RWY 27 (275°T) which doesn't have a ILS - so you'll need to switch to a TCN or SCA approach.

 

Senaki's RWY 09 ILS and Inner/Outer Markers are turned off as RWY 27 is active.

 

To get Senaki ATC to use RWY 09 ILS you'll want to edit the ground wind i.e. zero wind or +7 knots towards 275°T

Edited February 13, 2020 by Ramsay

[shaHeen-1]

Ramsay for president

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Your mission has a 2 m/s (4 knots) ground wind towards 150°T, as a result Senaki ATC is using RWY 27 (275°T) which doesn't have a ILS - so you'll need to switch to a TCN or SCA approach.

 

Senaki's RWY 09 ILS and Inner/Outer Markers are turned off as RWY 27 is active.

 

To get Senaki ATC to use RWY 09 ILS you'll want to edit the ground wind i.e. zero wind or +7 knots towards 275°T

 

 

 

Thanks for the analysis and insights!

 

A couple of questions though:

 

a) So I guess the aircraft UFC will not automatically prohibit ILS use in such scenarios? I mean I could sill select ILS though it was turned off at that airport. Is there some indication apart from checking the knee board runway chart?

 

b) What's is that static noise I hear as I approach glide slope? It sort of disappears when I am in the glide slope. Is it an indication that the ILS is not turned on?

 

 

UPDATE:

 

a) So I set zero wind conditions and it worked - Runway 09 with ILS was opened and the localiser lined up.

 

b) But I also tried this - I set the wind to 280deg 5knts. The ATC told me to use runway 9 (95deg). But the ILS in the MFCD still showed FAF 27 (runway 27). Why is that? I was thinking 280deg of wind would facilitate landing on runway 09 (95deg) as you fly into the wind. Or was 5knts too much?

 

 

 

 

Many thanks

Edited February 14, 2020 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[AeriaGloria]

TCN/ILS volume. It’s by the missile volume

[Ramsay]

b) But I also tried this - I set the wind to 280deg 5knts. The ATC told me to use runway 9 (95deg). But the ILS in the MFCD still showed FAF 27 (runway 27). Why is that? I was thinking 280deg of wind would facilitate landing on runway 09 (95deg) as you fly into the wind. Or was 5knts too much?

 

It's an old bug introduced with the new 2.5.x Caucasus map and affects most airbases.

 

The inner markers, outer markers, ILS and PRMG get out of step with ATC's active runway in the 2.5.x Caucasus map for moderate headwinds (1-6 kts).

 

Hence why I said "zero wind OR +7 knots towards 275°T" was needed for ATC to use RWY 09 ILS.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=4199330#post4199330

[Rudel_chw]

It's an old bug introduced with the new 2.5.x Caucasus map and affects most airbases.

 

The inner markers, outer markers, ILS and PRMG get out of step with ATC's active runway in the 2.5.x Caucasus map for moderate headwinds (1-6 kts).

 

Hence why I said "zero wind OR +7 knots towards 275°T" was needed for ATC to use RWY 09 ILS.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=4199330#post4199330

 

Thanks a lot for the insight... will be more careful with the wind on my Caucasus missions :thumbup:

[Shrike88]

I would believe to think that this aircraft having a modern avionics suite would be able to create an approach from Nav points with some type of vertical component the approach. I see in the APR page you can change a GS angle and input a specific slope path. Someone similar to what we see in a RNAV built or GPS built approach. even though an SCA is built as a visual approach, most gps capable / Rnav capable aircraft will still have a reference to the vertical path built in the computer.

[AeriaGloria]

If it’s possible it’s with WPT59