GazAce Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Just perusing through the new DCS World 2020 manual and I must say it absolutely freakin rocks! So much juicy fresh overhauled content.. from mission editing to a cool little trigger mission newby builders can try their hand at and even flight formations! I was so impressed with content and level of detail ED has put into this. I'm still looking through it but definitely a 10/10 from me, it's been quite a while coming and very well worth the wait. This is a beautiful little manual and if completely finished I would be tempted to convert this to a hard copy. Awesome effort ED and all who contributed. :thumbup: GazAce's "Skynet Rig" :: :: 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900K :: Asus ROG Strix Z790-A Mobo :: Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 MSI Gaming Slim GPU 24GB :: NZXT Kraken Elite 280 RGB AIO White Cooler :: G Skill Trident Z Royals DDR4 4x16GB = 64GB :: WD Black SN 850X NVMe SSD 2TB M.2 (C Drive) :: Samsung 860 Pro 2TB SATA (D Drive) & a couple of other Drives adding another 1.5 TB :: Corsair Crystal 680X White Case :: Asus XG349C 34" Curve G-Sync 180Hz 3440x1440 Monitor :: MSI 1000 Watt PSU PCIE5 :: Virpil Constellation Alpha-R Stick with VPC WarBRD Base :: Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle :: 3 x CubeSim ext mini screens with TM Cougar MFD Bezels :: Asus ROG Pugio 503 Gaming Mouse & Razer BlackWidow mech kb :: TrackIR 5 Pro & Cap Clip :: Win 11 64 Bit
Rudel_chw Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Agree, I really love having a good reference manual :) For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Fri13 Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Link? i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
QuiGon Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Link? It's in the docs folder of your DCS installation, just like the old user manual always has been ;) Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Worrazen Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Yeah I saw it ... really busy so I didn't comment yet, I'm basically speechless because there's really good details explained such as resupply/rearm relationship with cargo trucks, many many things that will be so wonderful for new people. The tutorial sections could point the people to the manual first, maybe there's a sticky about it already, should be a button somewhere in the main menu too (unless I missed it) Edited March 5, 2020 by Worrazen Modules: A-10C I/II, F/A-18C, Mig-21Bis, M-2000C, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, P-47, FC3, SC, CA, WW2AP, CE2. Terrains: NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria
unlikely_spider Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Can it be posted somewhere for those of us not in the beta? Modules: Wright Flyer, Spruce Goose, Voyager 1
Fri13 Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 It's in the docs folder of your DCS installation, just like the old user manual always has been ;) Of course.... Already learn habit to download latest ones from elsewhere as computer ones are sometimes old.... But as well not all are at their computers but on the go. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
QuiGon Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Of course.... Already learn habit to download latest ones from elsewhere as computer ones are sometimes old.... But as well not all are at their computers but on the go. The one on your computer is the latest one as it gets updated with the DCS updates. Some of the DCS manuals are available here, but they're not complete and usally don't get updated very often, unlike the ones on your computer. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Rudel_chw Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Can it be posted somewhere for those of us not in the beta? I wonder why it isnt yet on the Documentation section of ED's website .. I can share my copy in the meantime: https://1drv.ms/b/s!Ai6cuX3YQI26hqRUwtiYM59myekE3w?e=GRwhiH For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
QuiGon Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Didn't even realise it had ever been updated... It was on the very top of the patch notes: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/changelog/openbeta/2.5.6.43872/ Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
RuskyV Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 probably why i didn't see it, been looking for performance related fixes just recently, still nice to see with everything else going on that they had time to spruce up the manual...
Worrazen Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/documentation/dcs_user_manual/ ^^ Needs to be updated by webstaff It's really detailed, but I can see it's probably combined with russian translation, which isn't a big deal, except I'll look for cases where it's really off, one part I found here: ( I'll post when I find such cases, didn't read the whole thing yet ofcourse) Res. of Cockpit Displays Set the resolution of cockpit displays such as mirrors, targeting video indicators, multifunction displays, moving maps, etc. Note that higher resolution settings can negatively impact the smoothness of game play. 256 – Low quality. The picture is rendered into a texture of 256x256 pixels. It is updated through the frame. 512 – Standard quality. The image is rendered into a texture of 512x512 pixels. It is updated through the frame. 512 Every Frame – Standard quality. The image is rendered into a texture of 512x512 pixels. Each frame is updated, but it reduces the overall performance of the game in comparison with the choice of the preset updated through the frame. 1024 – High quality. The image is rendered into a texture of 1024x1024 pixels. It is updated through the frame. 1024 Every Frame – High quality. The image is rendered into a texture of 1024x1024 pixels. Each frame is updated, but it reduces the overall performance of the game in comparison with the choice of the preset updated through the frame. with the choice of the preset updated through the frame Well ... this section kinda doesn't make sense to me, or I don't understand english enough? I'm not sure what "through the frame" means, I never heard that phrase (but I'm not a real dev) Could be that the "Frame" may mean somehting else as in outline in Russian. But nah, it makes sense that "Every Frame" means that every frame you get an update on the displays. I think the issue is more with "Through the frame", how can you update the display while a frame is being rendered? Edited March 5, 2020 by Worrazen Modules: A-10C I/II, F/A-18C, Mig-21Bis, M-2000C, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, P-47, FC3, SC, CA, WW2AP, CE2. Terrains: NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria
QuiGon Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/documentation/dcs_user_manual/ ^^ Needs to be updated by webstaff Yeah, that's why I said that the manuals in our local DCS installations are more up to date. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Ashcroft Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/documentation/dcs_user_manual/ ^^ Needs to be updated by webstaff It's really detailed, but I can see it's probably combined with russian translation, which isn't a big deal, except I'll look for cases where it's really off, one part I found here: ( I'll post when I find such cases, didn't read the whole thing yet ofcourse) Well ... this section kinda doesn't make sense to me, or I don't understand english enough? I'm not sure what "through the frame" means, I never heard that phrase (but I'm not a real dev) I'm speculating the "frame" may mean somehting else as in "outline" in Russian but it gets translated to "Frame", it could mean the elements on the displays (frames as in pictures). But nah, it makes sense "Every Frame" means that every frame you get an update on the displays, but I think the issue is more with "Throught the frame", how can you update the display while a frame is being rendered? I don't know for sure but I assume it means the displays are not updated every frame and run at a lower frame rate than the full display. Maybe its only every second or third frame the displays get redrawn, something like that. i9 10900X & 5700XT VPC WarBRD, TM F18C, VPC Alpha, VPC T50CM2 Throttle, TM TFRP Pedals, Oculus Rift S
Worrazen Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Maybe its only every second or third frame the displays get redrawn, something like that. Indeed that's what everyone thinks the idea is ... but the manual makes more questions now. Modules: A-10C I/II, F/A-18C, Mig-21Bis, M-2000C, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, P-47, FC3, SC, CA, WW2AP, CE2. Terrains: NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria
X-31_VECTOR Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 This may be a dumb question, but why isn't the manual available through the game itself, as in a button on the home screen? I am embarrassed to admit how long I played DCS before I realized there even was a manual. I think this is one of those unnecessary barriers to entry for noobs who come to DCS. This community -- and its willingness to enthusiastically help newcomers -- is probably the single biggest asset DCS has in bringing new members to the fan base. But that's largely because new users don't feel supported within the game itself. How many times have you seen some variation on: Noob: How do I...? Salty DCS Vet: Welcome to DCS! Now RTFM. Noob: There's a manual? The same holds for modules. When I started with DCS and investigated where I could find answers to my aircraft-specific questions, everyone advised the same thing: download Chuck's Guides. From which I assumed there weren't official manuals. No one said, "Go to folder XYZ and you'll find a detailed 400-page manual." Hell, even just a button on the DCS home screen that opened the appropriate folder in a separate window might help us retain newcomers who get frustrated but never bother to come to the forums for answers. Feel free to tell me I'm the only fool for whom this is an issue, but if I'm not... how hard would this be to actually do? Seems relatively easy, but so does everything when someone else is doing the work. :)
Notso Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 This may be a dumb question, but why isn't the manual available through the game itself, as in a button on the home screen? I am embarrassed to admit how long I played DCS before I realized there even was a manual. I think this is one of those unnecessary barriers to entry for noobs who come to DCS. This community -- and its willingness to enthusiastically help newcomers -- is probably the single biggest asset DCS has in bringing new members to the fan base. But that's largely because new users don't feel supported within the game itself. How many times have you seen some variation on: Noob: How do I...? Salty DCS Vet: Welcome to DCS! Now RTFM. Noob: There's a manual? The same holds for modules. When I started with DCS and investigated where I could find answers to my aircraft-specific questions, everyone advised the same thing: download Chuck's Guides. From which I assumed there weren't official manuals. No one said, "Go to folder XYZ and you'll find a detailed 400-page manual." Hell, even just a button on the DCS home screen that opened the appropriate folder in a separate window might help us retain newcomers who get frustrated but never bother to come to the forums for answers. Feel free to tell me I'm the only fool for whom this is an issue, but if I'm not... how hard would this be to actually do? Seems relatively easy, but so does everything when someone else is doing the work. :) 100% agree with this. It would be great to have the most updated manuals available right on the DCS home screen. I find most of the info seems to be mostly WOM (word of mouth) in this forum. It’s super helpful, but often very disjointed to find info. I would rather start with the official manual and then ask questions from there. System HW: i9-9900K @5ghz, MSI 11GB RTX-2080-Ti Trio, G-Skill 32GB RAM, Reverb HMD, Steam VR, TM Warthog Hotas Stick & Throttle, TM F/A-18 Stick grip add-on, TM TFRP pedals. SW: 2.5.6 OB
QuiGon Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Isn't it normal for all kind of sims to have manuals in their folders? That's always the first thing I do when playing a new simulator: Go to its folder to locate the manual. I mean you can't seriously think that someone who is new to a sim like DCS will be able to understand it without a manual, so there has to be one. Edited March 5, 2020 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
X-31_VECTOR Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 That's certainly a valid perspective QuiGon, and may in fact be the majority view. (I meant it when I said I was embarrassed to admit how long I went without realizing there was a manual.) But anecdotally, it seems to me that I've seen a lot of newcomers not reach that conclusion on their own. I'm curious to hear other views on both sides of the argument.
QuiGon Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 But anecdotally, it seems to me that I've seen a lot of newcomers not reach that conclusion on their own. I can definitely confirm this as I have given the RTFM answer numerous times myself (although in a nicer way, I hope :D). It just boggles my mind how people think that there is no manual and that they have to learn such a complex sim without one. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Exorcet Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Isn't it normal for all kind of sims to have manuals in their folders? That's always the first thing I do when playing a new simulator: Go to its folder to locate the manual. I mean you can't seriously think that someone who is new to a sim like DCS will be able to understand it without a manual, so there has to be one. I think one confusing thing is that the modules manuals are separate from the DCSW manual. When you open the documents folder in the start menu it only shows the DCSW manual. I manually move module manuals into the same folder, I think it makes more sense for them to be there, and honestly why not include them in the install? You can download the manuals for aircraft you don't own from this site already. I also imagine that people new to sims might not consider a lack of a manual totally odd. It used to be that most games came with a manual, but these days some omit them entirely. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
Rudel_chw Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 My impression is that the DCS Players that actually read the manual is a minority, most prefer to learn by asking other people, either here on on the MP Servers. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Worrazen Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 100% agree with this. It would be great to have the most updated manuals available right on the DCS home screen. I find most of the info seems to be mostly WOM (word of mouth) in this forum. It’s super helpful, but often very disjointed to find info. I would rather start with the official manual and then ask questions from there. I'm sure it's being noted and worked on, just like this manual was probably being worked on for like a year worth of time. Modules: A-10C I/II, F/A-18C, Mig-21Bis, M-2000C, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, P-47, FC3, SC, CA, WW2AP, CE2. Terrains: NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria
Gharhoud Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 I wonder why it isnt yet on the Documentation section of ED's website .. I can share my copy in the meantime: https://1drv.ms/b/s!Ai6cuX3YQI26hqRUwtiYM59myekE3w?e=GRwhiH Thanks a lot Rudel. I hope you have nothing against, that I also downloaded it from your copy.:book:
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