RWS v TWS

[HR-Crumble]

Hi guys just trying to get some clarity -

 

 

Does RWS or TWS over a stronger radar lock than the other?

 

Does RWS or TWS modes alert the enemy you have locked on or is it only when you go STT they get a warning?

 

 

Kind regards,

 

 

Matt

 

 

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[Revelation]

RWS and TWS have different use cases; pros and cons.

 

When you STT a target it is considered a "hard lock" and the enemy aircraft will be alerted if they have an RWR. RWS is "hard lock" only with the exception being the LTWS mode in RWS.

 

For TWS you can lock on and fire on a target with a "soft lock" and the target will be none the wiser if you are BVR.

[HR-Crumble]

Thanks for the reply - can’t you do that in RWS as well? Push forward on TMS so it bugs it and fire? Push up again and it goes hard STT?

 

 

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[razo+r]

TMS up once from RWS gets you to SAM mode, which is kind of similar if not the same like TWS

[Revelation]

TMS up once from RWS gets you to SAM mode, which is kind of similar if not the same like TWS

 

That's right LTWS is for the Hornet.

[deadpool]

RWS and TWS have different use cases; pros and cons.

 

When you STT a target it is considered a "hard lock" and the enemy aircraft will be alerted if they have an RWR. RWS is "hard lock" only with the exception being the LTWS mode in RWS.

 

For TWS you can lock on and fire on a target with a "soft lock" and the target will be none the wiser if you are BVR.

 

LTWS is Hornet.

SAM is Viper.

 

In general, the alarm bells of a target will go off only if you lock them in STT and only STT (which is also that what ACM modes result in).

[HR-Crumble]

In SAM mode and you launch is the enemy aware of a Sam mode launch?

 

 

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[razo+r]

It shouldn't give a warning afaik

[AlexCaboose]

SAM does not give the enemy a launch warning as it's not an STT lock. At some point in the future, the Viper should be able to bug 2 targets at once in SAM.

[Steph21]

From ED Manual, it mentions that tracking in SAM is stronger than in TWS. I haven't notice any difference in the game though.

 

STT lock (from SAM or TWS) doesn't give launch warning, it gives lock warning. It's sometimes enough to make bandit go defensive if they are not aware of your weapon envelop. It's used IRL for example when bandit come too close of a country border.

 

RWR gives launch warning when it detects that a radar is supporting a missile launch.

[Geraki]

When we probably saying that RWS could be stronger, is the ability to show target's little bit quicker (stronger radar power)than TWS in addition in RWS the max scan area is 160 NM on the other hand in TWS 80 NM is the max scan range

 

Generally, we use RWS in BVR for a quick target scan for distances over 40 NM under 40NM we can switch into TWS for sorting and multitargeting over 6 bogeys.

 

SAM mode is even stronger, SAM provides tactical advantages over STT. First, SAM track updates are

short (less than 1 sec) versus STT, increasing situational awareness on other targets.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Geraki

[deadpool]

It shouldn't give a warning afaik

 

 

 

SAM is essentially a time shared STT lock with limited RWS around it.

 

It should behave the same as STT in terms of launching.

It is no TWS just a time shared STT lock and launch essentially.

[deadpool]

When we probably saying that RWS could be stronger, is the ability to show target's little bit quicker (stronger radar power)than TWS in addition in RWS the max scan area is 160 NM on the other hand in TWS 80 NM is the max scan range

 

Generally, we use RWS in BVR for a quick target scan for distances over 40 NM under 40NM we can switch into TWS for sorting and multitargeting over 6 bogeys.

 

SAM mode is even stronger, SAM provides tactical advantages over STT. First, SAM track updates are

short (less than 1 sec) versus STT, increasing situational awareness on other targets.

 

The radar "power" (effective emitted energy) is both the same for TWS and RWS.

The only difference is what is done to the return signals and the quality it needs to be integrated over time into a track.

[Frederf]

That's an important difference "stronger" meaning that tracking is less likely to drop and nothing to do with radar power.

 

Even in RWS the radar does not always show a digital contact symbol on the first detection. The radar has a memory and may detect the target two or more times before deciding it has enough confidence to display a symbol on the FCR format.

 

TWS displays track files which require at least two scans of the target and generally more than RWS. This is why searching in TWS results in delayed symbol display, not because TWS is weak or didn't see the target earlier but because it must build up the detections into a track. If memory serves it will display contacts that it hasn't built a track yet for.

 

Lastly track file building is happening all the time, even in RWS, so that when the display mode is changed those tracks are immediately available. There is a lot to the radar happening "behind the curtain" that's not obvious by the display. Similarly even when the range scale is 10nm it's still looking out to 160nm.

 

Operationally RWS is going to give you the fastest display of a new contact compared to TWS. RWS-SAM is going to hold onto a track (slightly?) better than bugged TWS although at the risk of lock-alerting the target (depends on range, target's EW gear). The benefits of TWS are mostly showing all that pretty track file information and being able to support six missiles in flight. In terms of raw performance TWS is equal or inferior in all cases. TWS is only preferable for its information displayed and potentially subtlety to detection.

[SCPanda]

SAM mode launch won't give your enemy a launch warning, same for TWS. However, when in SAM mode, your radar will not adjust its elevation based on the target altitude, therefore, it is easier to lose lock when the target is dropping or increasing altitude (or the target gets too close it and goes below or above your radar elevation, which was set before you lock your target).

In contrast, in TWS mode while it won't give your enemy a launch warning, TWS will also adjust your radar elevation automatically to maintain a lock. Thus, TWS mode does not drop lock as easily as SAM mode does.

However, since TWS scan and lock takes longer than RWS, when you are in a hurry try to use RWS to lock your target and engage your target in SAM mode (not STT because they will receive a launch warning).

I learned all these from doing BVR in the Viper. Obviously, all the radar modes are WIP or not perfected at the moment. So in the future this might change.

Edited May 1, 2020 by SCPanda

[Frederf]

SAM should follow elevation of the bugged target(s) at least when in AUTO SAM. That'll come when it's finished.

[SCPanda]

Nice!