Server with reduced and Realistic setting

[The_GOZR]

To go to 7G+ you have to throttle up to aquier some speed some kind of high momentum . You have to have a lots of controls on your speeds to do what you want. Goya... i think many of you are used to see high numbers..

 

Many of pilots i see online are pulling real high G's like 9G's and they keep going full After burner.. with the same angle.. In RL it would be insane..

 

 

A fight is like going on twisties road on a race track with a motorcycle.. you have to stay at the optimum RPM for each situation .. too high rpm you will loose power to low rpm you will loose too. Same with speed braking etc.. be ready at the correct speed and this is what give a huge advantage.. i don't know if this make sens..

[S77th-GOYA]

Do you know the G limit Oleg has set for wing shear in IL2? Have you ever lost a wing in Oleg's P-51?

[The_GOZR]

Goya.. I think pretty mid/low 4.5 to 7 G max i think can't recall now .. ww2 some had to recall a P51 serie for loosing wings yes it did happen and they did fix it or at list was better. in Il2 it's the same since air mass or world physics is not really designed they have to find a solution to simulate it but the guys in IL2 are reaching real high speed on props plane like the P51 ( B & Z ) diving and pull the stick to the chest in a milisecond.. well in real life better have some good muscles..

Well like many things The P-51 medias telling that was the best ww2 plane.. like your F15.. but it depend where it was used .. if it was use at high altitude i think yes that was one of the best now if you take Mid high to low the Yak-9U ridiculized it.. anyway that is not the topic..

 

Now all change with what you are carrying all limits are shifted for the plane

[tflash]

The_Gozr, I think your need another G-suit:

 

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=6&articleID=0009B40B-48D2-1CC6-B4A8809EC588EEDF

[The_GOZR]

Good read.. :)

[S77th-GOYA]

Goya.. I think pretty mid/low 4.5 to 7 G max i think can't recall now ..

 

Oleg has stated that G limits for all his planes are 15 Gs. Then wing shears start.

 

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/493105555?r=739100065#739100065

 

WWII planes are not relatively fast compared to these jets but very high Gs can be achieved.

 

I only mentioned the P-51 because it was the most prevalent wing shearer because of it's ultra-responsive elevator modelling, even at high speeds.

[PoleCat]

I maybe inexperienced but at least I don't take off from taxi ways or shoot down my leading wingman as some so-called experts do! :P

 

Don't the squads teach that stuff in flying 101?:D And don't tell me this stuff never happens on hl servers because that WOULD BE LYING!

 

Sure mate all sorts of unexpected behavior happens on the HL server and that is no lie!

 

The server rules for take off from taxi way differ from server to server and squad to squad. Most all would frown upon, warn, then kick, and eventually ban anyone purposely continuing to fire at friendlies after repeated warnings.

 

And there is nothing wrong with inexperience mate. All of us start in the same place. Just let me know if we can be of any help.:thumbup:

 

Out

[The_GOZR]

Sry Goya i thought you spoke about Pilot's G limit.. I know Goya i spend lots of time on Yak9U in RL.. ;) and Oleg knows about it ...

 

The article of the Mustang is from the 2.04.. now it is the 4.09 Beta.. btw

[Dunkan Aidaho]

Did you know that over G can kill the pilot with a "Realistic G" option turned on? -)

 

I had post a track some month ago in russian section, here is the link:

http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=11645&d=1184756453

 

The MiG-29 and 13-14G was used to perform this funky suicide -)

 

 

Traditionaly: sorry for my bad english :)

[Eagle Driver]

Wow, I didn't know you could do that. I seem to recall an F-15 pulled an insane amount of G that peaked for a fraction of a second at 40G although I heard from another source that it was just 15. Speaking of G, I really got pissed at Lock-On when I tested the over-g point of the Eagle's warning system. I found that at 7.5g the warning system is silent, but when I dipped to about 8.15 or something Betty went into her tyrade "OverG OverG OverG!". This is very annoying because it causes me personally to completely ignore the Over-G warning which can sometimes have me sustaining 9.2 or something.

[The_GOZR]

Here to light up the heaviness of the thread and waiting for the "West Coast" servers to bumped to man's setting... ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Death to a F-15 from a MiG-29A with a re-worked skin that i made..

[S77th-GOYA]

Man's setting?

[The_GOZR]

Throttle back Goya ....Throttle back ;)

[Dunkan Aidaho]

Wow, I didn't know you could do that. I seem to recall an F-15 pulled an insane amount of G that peaked for a fraction of a second at 40G although I heard from another source that it was just 15. Speaking of G, I really got pissed at Lock-On when I tested the over-g point of the Eagle's warning system. I found that at 7.5g the warning system is silent, but when I dipped to about 8.15 or something Betty went into her tyrade "OverG OverG OverG!". This is very annoying because it causes me personally to completely ignore the Over-G warning which can sometimes have me sustaining 9.2 or something.

Well the 15G or even more wont kill anyone. The point is that you need gain 13-14 and hold. I dont remember how long exactly, but i think about half a minute is enough.

 

It is impossible in a real fight because stable high G was gained by disabling some MiG systems (i dont know how to translate "АСУ"). In most cases you cannot reach something more than just lose consciousness for a couple minutes.

 

Sorry for my bad english:)

[GGTharos]

Hey GOZR? My info comes from someone who flies F-15s. Man setting my foot. Give it up. Your information is severely out-dated.

The record for a 9G hold is 110sec, and the USAF goes for a standard of 45sec for its pilots ... further there's enough data from NAVY medical to pretty much suggest that you're full of it when it comes to flying a modern jet. Like I said ... maybe those old miglets you flew couldn't sustain that amount of G, but modern planes can, and do - and so do their pilots. ;)

 

Throttle back Goya ....Throttle back ;)

[VMFA117_Poko]

But 45 sec in G-suit GG. You need to add this. In 12 sec. without suit you get total black-out.

[GGTharos]

I think that was clearly implied, but if we're going to be pedantic, 45sec in a G-Suit, practicing AGSM straining, after having down a G-awareness exercise, and the pilot having had G-tolerance by experiencing high G's relatively often.

[VMFA117_Poko]

Thanks. We had similar topic some time ago and we didn't understand each other because of g-suit issue.

 

110 sec. with 9G! Wow, it's quite long time, isn't it? Hurts when I think about it.

[Groove]

I would like to hear the pilots breathing during this 110 s.

[GGTharos]

Same as any other AGSM straining - that's the technique. If you don't do it you pass out.

[Groove]

Yes but his breathing will get "heavier" with the time imo.

[VMFA117_Poko]

For sure Groove. 110s is the record for some reason.

[The_GOZR]

Tharos seriously you think 9G's come just with a tunnel vision ? seriously? what about the pressure and limited movements ?.. And it's coming from a MiG experiences.

I don't say Realistic is correct in all senses but it is less wrong than Reduced it makup for all all this things. but lets go on Negative G's where Reduced settings exceed on bad..

 

Tharos this is to trying to imply effects into a sim from 1980's beginning 1990 top max right ? not on settings records made some where.. Have you been to high G's situation in repetitions + neg G's? In simulation you have to give it some kind of limitation on virtual pilots experience the breathing you do it with the stick instead.

I could easly re-work those limits because i know as well how to fly on sims which is very important.

Do you think flying jets around is like Aerobatics for an hours in the skies and on top dogfighting missiles then their pilots , your adrenaline will help and pump up for sure .. In RL every moves you do in the sky at an elevated speed will result in a pressure of some kind...

I would love to correct this in the sim for sure.

[The_GOZR]

http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/phi729/2292/

 

Groove this is in a Mirage i posted earlier it's an example of pilots breathing..

[HubMan]

As GOZR said, the main problem is that :

 

- 9G in real life and you are pinned to your seat, almost cannot breathe, hardly think and you are in real pain. Operating your airplane becomes very difficult.

 

- 9G in Lockon and the Black Out that follows is just a nuisance : you cannot see anymore, but it does not affect your thinking / flying that much (at least if you do not G-Lock).

 

There is a big difference between not passing out in a centrifuge and being able to control a complex aircrat :) It could be nice to have it modelized : some "lag" could be added to the commands (operating the radar, dispensing decoys...), it could be fun :) Or "grunting" could be simulated by having to press and release a key, to simulate the manoeuver and keep you a little busy :)

 

Hub.