not planned USMC Version of Litening TGP

[Swift.]

Now that I think about it, I wonder if the reason we have an Exports interface is because ED are under license to not export the workings of US hornets FLIRs

[AvroLanc]

Not a bad idea :lol:

 

Just add ATFLIR (existing 3d model) using the existing FLIR engine. Same thing as now except with correct symbology.

 

Perfect solution. Should have been done a year ago.

 

Now that I think about it, I wonder if the reason we have an Exports interface is because ED are under license to not export the workings of US hornets FLIRs

 

Possibly. Do they have a specific license for the Hornet? There goes any hope of an ATFLIR then. Would explain a lot.

[BarTzi]

The question that should be asked is what qualifies as good evidence here.

 

Apparently the videos are not enough, even though I think that for a simulating a pod, youtube is a great source.

 

I wouldn't mind as long as the pods shared the same set of features, but as we learned recently they might not.

[Foka1]

I don’t understand why it is always so hard for ED to accept fault in something and say: “hey, thank you for providing new and more accurate info, we will get to work with this”. Like it doesn’t hurt ED/the Sim/anyone to admit a fault sometimes. The info Swift provided clearly proves more accurate to what ED has been using for the Litening.

 

I didn't see it as "not admitting fault". Obviously pictures from those videos are there. What I see ED is saying is that they have information for different version and they have modeled different version of it. Where is their fault in that? Is not like elaborate documents for everything are just there for a grabbing, ED has to carefully choose their sources and not because their proud and stubbornness but I would say mostly because of legal things over all. They need to know that they are using open source and OP being right in finding some inconsistency with videos doesn't give ED open source docs for the symbology he provided in those videos.

 

OP being right doesn't automatically make ED "at fault" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

PS as I was saying people just instantly throwing grudge instead of taking a little patience and try to understand problem here..

[=52d= Skip]

Hi

 

The Litening is correct based on the open sources we worked from. We work from open sources that give us the best complete overview of a system.

 

thanks

 

If the sources are open then no harm can be in naming them, right?

Maybe even a link?

[AvroLanc]

If the sources are open then no harm can be in naming them, right?

Maybe even a link?

 

and there’s one of the biggest inconsistencies we have.....open but secret to all...

[Swift.]

I made a similar mock up of ATFLIR from a quick bit of research on these videos:

[Foka1]

I made a similar mock up of ATFLIR from a quick bit of research on these videos:

 

I don't think it is enough to just slap it on screen and call the day. You need actual documentation on what is each symbology is connected to. You can do reasonable assumption, but it everyone just follow reasonable assumptions it can lead to uncertain results and errors..

[Foka1]

and there’s one of the biggest inconsistencies we have.....open but secret to all...

 

There is difference between providing docs and their sources if you are being under court order and providing docs to each random individual who is just in the mood asking for them today I think..

[AvroLanc]

I don't think it is enough to just slap it on screen and call the day. You need actual documentation on what is each symbology is connected to. You can do reasonable assumption, but it everyone just follow reasonable assumptions it can lead to uncertain results and errors..

 

But there’s nothing on Swifts mockup that isn’t accounted for already. All functionality is already done or can be added (north arrow). Nothing is a mystery function or label that can’t be modelled, indeed it probably is already. Criteria for masking circle might have to estimated....

 

All we want is a layout of symbology that looks more authentic.

[Swift.]

The one unknown is that 'SETUP' OSB

[fmedges]

Now that I think about it, I wonder if the reason we have an Exports interface is because ED are under license to not export the workings of US hornets FLIRs

 

Wouldn’t ED having the info to begin with be an export as they are not a US company?

[M1Combat]

You people are ridiculous...

 

Do any of you remember back when we had no way of targeting aside from rader (that lost lock if you moved...) and ED was kind enough to do EXTRA work just so we could run the lightning until the atflir is done?

 

WTF is wrong with you effing dumasses? <-- Red Foreman voice

 

I mean seriously... I appreciate the research and all of that for a module where you're actually making it more realistic... That's fine... but our bird was NOT originally supposed to be a USMC bird. That was only added because WE wanted a targeting pod and THEY were nice enough to push one through for us...

 

Now you have the entitled audacity to sit here and bitch about the fact that the implementation of something they just did to be nice and, yeah... help sales... because it wasn't a good idea to release with no pod... is not perfectly accurate?

 

Holy cow.

 

Look... just put your research time into a subject that makes sense and doesn't ask for another inch when you've been given a mile ok?

[Foka1]

But there’s nothing on Swifts mockup that isn’t accounted for already. All functionality is already done or can be added (north arrow). Nothing is a mystery function or label that can’t be modelled, indeed it probably is already. Criteria for masking circle might have to estimated....

 

All we want is a layout of symbology that looks more authentic.

 

And I perfectly understand that, but I guess if you go to actual programmer who simulate those systems he will ask you tons of things about what hooks to what and logic behind other system can indeed differ in some details.

 

This is just question of perception of authenticity here. Imagine ED wants to have 100% authenticity and even if some functions would slip out of focus, someone else can go in and say you know guys you have bullshit here, rename this from Marines F/A-18 to bullshit F/A-18 because this dot here on screen is not doing that or this...

 

In the end it is also part of what "was done and implemented" and what is "WIP". If this part of screen symbology is done and implemented already, getting back to it means putting other tasks on hold, putting other tasks on hold means raging a lot more people in turn... You see what I mean? Maybe ED can return to it after F/A-18 is released..

[Ayabe]

If the Hornet still had no TGP sales would be pretty abysmal and a lot less people would be flying it. Most of use A2G utility would be gone unless you like typing coordinates all day. ED didn't introduce that as a favor to people, they did it to drive sales.

 

 

So make it correct.

[Matti0503]

TBH if they finish the Litening with the Spanish Symbology and then make the ATFLIR with the correct symbology I most definitely wouldn't be mad. For me, that would be a really nice end result where the Spanish Hornets can have the Spanish TGP and the US Hornets can have the US TGP.

(Of course, this is what would happen ideally IMO)

[fmedges]

You people are ridiculous...

 

Do any of you remember back when we had no way of targeting aside from rader (that lost lock if you moved...) and ED was kind enough to do EXTRA work just so we could run the lightning until the atflir is done?

 

WTF is wrong with you effing dumasses? <-- Red Foreman voice

 

I mean seriously... I appreciate the research and all of that for a module where you're actually making it more realistic... That's fine... but our bird was NOT originally supposed to be a USMC bird. That was only added because WE wanted a targeting pod and THEY were nice enough to push one through for us...

 

Now you have the entitled audacity to sit here and bitch about the fact that the implementation of something they just did to be nice and, yeah... help sales... because it wasn't a good idea to release with no pod... is not perfectly accurate?

 

Holy cow.

 

Look... just put your research time into a subject that makes sense and doesn't ask for another inch when you've been given a mile ok?

 

Kind enough? I don’t believe you understand how business works. Who reiterated over and over about which lot and which nations hornet they were making? The customer, or the business?

Edited May 21, 2020 by fmedges

[Swift.]

The thing I dont really understand is why they didnt just add ATFLIR from the get go with the old render.

 

The model already existed and the amount of coding required to bring hornets controls and symbols to litening seem to be parallel with that of ATFLIR, so I dont see why all this hoohaa had to happen.

[fmedges]

The thing I dont really understand is why they didnt just add ATFLIR from the get go with the old render.

 

The model already existed and the amount of coding required to bring hornets controls and symbols to litening seem to be parallel with that of ATFLIR, so I dont see why all this hoohaa had to happen.

 

A lot of the decisions they make from the outside looking in are interesting ones. I don’t mind this one but why not just say something simple like we thought it would be a quick thing to add the litening as a stand alone and it didn’t work that way and also the best we could get reference wise was this Spanish version so we used that. The constant wordplay is draining.

Edited May 21, 2020 by fmedges

[al531246]

Hi

 

The Litening is correct based on the open sources we worked from. We work from open sources that give us the best complete overview of a system.

 

thanks

 

I'm assuming all the images and video(s) posted in the other thread don't count right..

[Swift.]

I'm assuming all the images and video(s) posted in the other thread don't count right..

 

Apparently videos arent a good source unless ED provides them.

[nighthawk2174]

TBH if they finish the Litening with the Spanish Symbology and then make the ATFLIR with the correct symbology I most definitely wouldn't be mad. For me, that would be a really nice end result where the Spanish Hornets can have the Spanish TGP and the US Hornets can have the US TGP.

(Of course, this is what would happen ideally IMO)

 

I wouldn't mind this and I hope they don't just outright delete the work they've done so far, just add it as an option in the settings to switch the Spanish TGP for those out there who want to use it. And once the hornet is released when it is more reasonable to add stuff like that.

 

 

Apparently videos arent a good source unless ED provides them.

ohh yeah *cough* gau/vulcun dispersion *cough*

[fmedges]

Apparently videos arent a good source unless ED provides them.

 

Or actual 18 pilots telling you that you can dispense countermeasures without the master arm being on.

[Matti0503]

There's a bunch of stuff still to be done for the hornet...

[Swift.]

I think I now know how those, who reported the A-10 cannon spread, feel like. I guess I'll everyone back here in 7 years time when ED 'find new documents' and have deleted all evidence of them saying to the contrary.