SD-10 keeps flying by the target and doesnt track 90% of the time

[foxwxl]

Yeah as Fox said, if you look it’s manuevering is all based on the authority of the moving tail now which is also animated. So under around Mach 2 it no longer can pull 30G becuase of AOA limit, and at transonic speeds it can only pull 10G for two seconds or so. I mean it’s stabilizers only move 20 degrees! So there is an area where if you get it slow enough, and you’re sure that RWR signal is a single slow missile, then you definitely can out maneuver it if you choose the right time

 

I like all you am just as jealous about the new AMRAAM, I love the new AMRAAM aerodynamic model with actual low speed G limitations and maneuver over shoot with CG changes and realistic control authority, I hope this becomes available for SD-10 eventually

 

Eventually, I think ED will bring all AAM to that level of modelling.

[Tango3B]

Eventually, I think ED will bring all AAM to that level of modelling.

 

 

That will surely be the case sometime in the future. But I think it is a big hindrance that 3rd party developers are tied to ED´s development progress in that respect and can´t do it their own way with available data. It is painful to see the AIM-120 is getting all the love and the AIM-54/SD-10 (and russian missiles) are currently not playing in the same league. I can only hope we do not have to wait too long for updates to these missiles. I am mostly a RedFor guy. I mostly fly PvP. The current situation is rather sad.

[Chiron]

Yes I have seen that video. Just becuase behind enemy lines shows missiles not obeying physics while they did a 180 unrealistically, that does not mean a missile can’t do a 180 under any conditions.

 

So if an AMRAAM predicted an intercept position 90 degrees to its left when it lost the target, and it had enough energy to do that 180(not saying it could hit), then why couldn’t it do 180? I’m not saying it has seeker lock like the missile in behind enemy lines, but that it computes an intercept position and goes there after it loses a lock, and in this specific case it did a 180 and even though it was probably was not going to hit, it had enough energy to make that turn. I don’t see anything wrong with that. It wasn’t magic, it’s speed went from Mach 2 to subsonic, it payed the price, no magic

 

It is chaffable, you just have to be precise in a notch, remember the slower you are the less precise your notch has to be, the effective notch angle is tiny at Mach 1, pretty useless, slow down when notching put your brakes out, and you will find AMRAAMs going dumb even without chaff

 

u didn't pay attention to what he said ....he said literary and i took his word in real life if the missile defeated its over ..

 

and also u didn't saw all my videos 2 of them i was flying 250 knots

[AeriaGloria]

u didn't pay attention to what he said ....he said literary and i took his word in real life if the missile defeated its over ..

 

and also u didn't saw all my videos 2 of them i was flying 250 knots

 

Sure once the missile is defeated. But an AMRAAM hasn’t exactly been defeated if it’s notched once and has the the time and energy to re acquire you the moment you leave the notch is it?

 

It’s defeated once it’s not going to kill you. But if it has time and energy it will try to re acquire you, so it’s not quite defeated yet

[Chiron]

Sure once the missile is defeated. But an AMRAAM hasn’t exactly been defeated if it’s notched once and has the the time and energy to re acquire you the moment you leave the notch is it?

 

It’s defeated once it’s not going to kill you. But if it has time and energy it will try to re acquire you, so it’s not quite defeated yet

 

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Missile-Guidance-and-Control-Systems-Siouris/2fa1928c2ea4ad27a6a0f4a9ce344ed04b5cc0d7

 

see this figures to understand what i am saying ( missile work with intercept program not chasing program )

 

if u are not satisfied here is the book

 

https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/terrorism_and_pyrotechnics/rocketry/Missiles_and_Warheads/Missile%20Guidance%20&%20Control%20Systems.pdf

[foxwxl]

That will surely be the case sometime in the future. But I think it is a big hindrance that 3rd party developers are tied to ED´s development progress in that respect and can´t do it their own way with available data. It is painful to see the AIM-120 is getting all the love and the AIM-54/SD-10 (and russian missiles) are currently not playing in the same league. I can only hope we do not have to wait too long for updates to these missiles. I am mostly a RedFor guy. I mostly fly PvP. The current situation is rather sad.

 

After ED finalizing the new API, third parties can use the standardize tools for a quicker and easier integration.Just patient :D

 

As for the RedFor, I'm sad too, really love to fly 2seats multi-role like Su30MK.:doh:

[AeriaGloria]

Yeah that would be really cool, the SD-10 is only 10kg heavier then AMRAAM when motor burns out, and with that huge tail I bet it would have really good low speed control authority with the new API.

 

And seeing animated fins would be amazing:)

 

Chiron, how are you so sure the AMRAAM doesn’t follow an intercept course when losing the target? The snippet you linked is about infrared guidance, and if I read the whole book at the part about radar guidance I’m sure it would say or atleast wouldn’t outright deny that a modern active radar homing missiles can compute an intercept course upon losing the target.

Edited June 11, 2020 by AeriaGloria

[AeriaGloria]

Okay I read part of the book linked, under page 207 it describes collision course guidance. THAT IS ALL this is, when losing lock it takes last known target position, computes a collision course, and the missile maneuvers to that point. The seeker stays on so if it sees something it can re acquire. In the case of the video you linked it obviously didn’t see you when it turned around and it was out of energy anyways, but that’s all this is, and IIRC that’s a new feature of the new missile API.

 

If I can’t chane your opinion I can’t change your opinion, but the AMRAAM doesn’t just die when it’s notched now it keeps the seeker on and goes for a collision course for last known position and tries to re acquire, it’ll be defeated if it doesn’t re acquire you or by the time it does it can no longer kinectically reach you. It would be cool to see this functionality expanded, as it computes an intercept course using the INS, so full INS modeling would be a treat. But that’s why this is happening, it’s one of the features of INS equipped missiles, and it’s not going away now that it’s in game. I think before all they did was do a pre programmed/scripted 10G turn in the direction of the lost target if it didn’t home on chaff, but atleast for AMRAAM it now behaves correctly

 

If you want to go flying thinking an AMRAAM is dead becuase you notched it at one point go on ahead be my guest.

Edited June 11, 2020 by AeriaGloria

[Chiron]

After ED finalizing the new API, third parties can use the standardize tools for a quicker and easier integration.Just patient :D

 

As for the RedFor, I'm sad too, really love to fly 2seats multi-role like Su30MK.:doh:

 

Su30MK ???? is that what ED working on ????

[Chiron]

Okay I read part of the book linked, under page 207 it describes collision course guidance. THAT IS ALL this is, when losing lock it takes last known target position, computes a collision course, and the missile maneuvers to that point. The seeker stays on so if it sees something it can re acquire. In the case of the video you linked it obviously didn’t see you when it turned around and it was out of energy anyways, but that’s all this is, and IIRC that’s a new feature of the new missile API.

 

If I can’t chane your opinion I can’t change your opinion, but the AMRAAM doesn’t just die when it’s notched now it keeps the seeker on and goes for a collision course for last known position and tries to re acquire, it’ll be defeated if it doesn’t re acquire you or by the time it does it can no longer kinectically reach you. It would be cool to see this functionality expanded, as it computes an intercept course using the INS, so full INS modeling would be a treat. But that’s why this is happening, it’s one of the features of INS equipped missiles, and it’s not going away now that it’s in game. I think before all they did was do a pre programmed/scripted 10G turn in the direction of the lost target if it didn’t home on chaff, but atleast for AMRAAM it now behaves correctly

 

If you want to go flying thinking an AMRAAM is dead becuase you notched it at one point go on ahead be my guest.

 

i dont think of anything i can outrun aim-120c :thumbup:

 

https://gyazo.com/23dddd5f6ac3c353dffd07581192b79f

 

i have dozen of this i said before i am a TAW member and we are good :)

 

i am just talking of possibility of missile behavior

 

the reason of this video not cuz i am showing off definitely no i though u think i am crying cuz of aim-120c

Edited June 12, 2020 by Chiron

[foxwxl]

Su30MK ???? is that what ED working on ????

 

Nope, I remember once ED has some plan for newer Sukhoi jet, but they dropped that project for security reasons.

[Chiron]

Nope, I remember once ED has some plan for newer Sukhoi jet, but they dropped that project for security reasons.

 

:(:(:(:(

[Oceandar]

It was su-27s or SK, cant remember the exact model but no way the modern one.

[*Rage*]

It was Su27SM. Announced in 2013 then dropped shortly after.

[Tiger-II]

I can't think of any time a missile would pull a 180 degree turn after losing lock.

 

 

The target must be within gimbal limits of the nose of the missile, and the missile is already tracking an intercept course, so all that will happen at the moment of loss of lock will be the missile will make a course correction to the last computed intercept point, then fly straight.

 

 

There is no reason whatsoever that a missile will even turn 90 degrees, unless it is extremely close to begin with and the angles computation would result in a "coast intercept" of 90 degrees, but I doubt even that could happen in reality.

[uboats]

can you guys try the sd10 in latest ob?

[Chiron]

can you guys try the sd10 in latest ob?

 

??? what change ? except he eat chaff like 70s missiles :D

[paco2002]

??? what change ? except he eat chaff like 70s missiles :D

Please, upload the track, it helps a lot to the Deka team

[Chiron]

Please, upload the track, it helps a lot to the Deka team

 

no sorry my energy run out trying to defend SD-10 and convince everyone that this missile nerfed too much i already talked a lot and a lot and a lot and shared test and theory so i will not participate to this discussions again maybe after a while ...sorry again

[Tiger-II]

can you guys try the sd10 in latest ob?

 

 

What are we looking for, specifically?