F-14B Ground roll friction

[Maxthrust]

Hey all,

 

The cat does not seem to need any wheel brakes to slow down after landing. Just keep it in the runway and it will roll into a full stop within 1500 m or 4500 ft as if an invisible chute slows it. :megalol:

 

Any chance to add some air to tires?

[Airhunter]

Yeah it is pretty sticky currently. Hope they can revisit the ground handling and suspension fairly soon.

[draconus]

If spoilers are out they have a pretty big impact on slowing down.

[Maxthrust]

Yea aero braking is cool. I read the other tread on this and the culprit is the effin boat again.

 

Viggen seem to Have matured Nicely like the hog in this department.

 

this early access and free rides making it really hard to complain hahaha

[Airhunter]

If spoilers are out they have a pretty big impact on slowing down.

 

Nah, even from a standstill and below 15kts it requires significant thrust to get moving and when you go back to idle it pretty much stops shortly after. The low speed friction is way too high. The suspension is too stiff too (too few contact points). Wonder why the FC3 planes get all of this right?

[Maxthrust]

Nah, even from a standstill and below 15kts it requires significant thrust to get moving and when you go back to idle it pretty much stops shortly after. The low speed friction is way too high. The suspension is too stiff too (too few contact points). Wonder why the FC3 planes get all of this right?[/quote

 

I think HB's already said the idea was to induce a higher static (and therefore also kinematic) friction to keep the cat stable on the deck. They probably did it to circumnavigate an issue on the DCS side, otherwise the Viggen shows their ability to simulate a decent ground handling model.

 

Perhaps this is in ED's court. Given the career swings gently and the surface has a correct static friction factor, I can't see why HB would not be able to fix this. Just shift the thrust curves appropriately and voila..

 

Edit: No boat experience here, anyone able to compare the cat's stickiness to deck vs F-18? Does F-14 handle any different on the Russian carrers?

Edited June 23, 2020 by Maxthrust

[Airhunter]

Well, the F/A-18 has a similar issue just not as much. Surprisingly the Su-33 (A FC3 module) doesnt have this issue on the carrier deck. If there's really no way for the carrier deck then fair enough but this then seems like an engine limitation.

[Smith]

Wonder why the FC3 planes get all of this right?

 

I really would like to understand this, too. Even the F-18 by ED has wrong suspension while Su-33 is perfect. Every Aircraft should use the same Tyres, springs and Suspensiondampening model, just with a little diffrent values and geometry. No need to introduce new landinggear physics when there already exists a perfect one (FC3 Planes).

[IronMike]

We can only tweak the values they let us tweak, and with the current values that we can tweak, this is a compromise between needing too much power and sliding around like on a wet soap surface, unfortunately. It is something we will continue to investigate with ED though.

[Skysurfer]

Is this still being looked into? Currently taxiing is a pain (and unrealistic) and landing distances are all kinds of wrong. You stop much shorter at MLW with no brakes used than all other (even light) aircraft in DCS. The Mig-29 with a point landing and brake-chute deployed has a longer landing distance. Please look into this.

[IronMike]

Yes, this is still on the list, but we have to get to it. We need ED's help in this case, too, to see what and how they did it with the F16, which seems pretty good in that regard. Thank you for your kind patience.

[Skysurfer]

Yes, this is still on the list, but we have to get to it. We need ED's help in this case, too, to see what and how they did it with the F16, which seems pretty good in that regard. Thank you for your kind patience.

 

Cool! Glad you have this planned, that's all I need to know. :thumbup:

[IronMike]

 

Cool! Glad you have this planned, that's all I need to know. :thumbup:

 

Yes, absolutely. We are not happy with it ourselves. It's just lower on the prio list atm, until all the big stuff is out of the way.

[fat creason]

An improvement is coming next patch!

[Spurts]

So long hilariously short landing rolls, I'll miss you.  IIRC the NATOPS does list a vastly shorter landing roll for the F-14 compared to the F/A-18, but being able to have a Hornet land and stay on the runway where it stopped, then have an F-14A hit the same touch down point, come to a full stop, then take off over the F/A-18 is a bit much..

[IronMike]

1 hour ago, Spurts said:

So long hilariously short landing rolls, I'll miss you.  IIRC the NATOPS does list a vastly shorter landing roll for the F-14 compared to the F/A-18, but being able to have a Hornet land and stay on the runway where it stopped, then have an F-14A hit the same touch down point, come to a full stop, then take off over the F/A-18 is a bit much..

That's just a natural process of something superior besting something inferior. /jk

[fat creason]

See my post here if you want to try out a preview of the suspension changes...