pappachuck Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) According to the USMC the Harries can operate the AGM-88 and AGM-84, they also can use a older missile the AGM-119 "Penguin". They would be of easy implementation since they are already in game with the exception of the AGM-119. The link below refers to the official USMC AV-8B HarrierII manual: https://www.marines.mil/News/Publications/MCPEL/Electronic-Library-Display/Article/1838570/navmc-350051c-wch1/ Edit#1: AGM-88 New source: Page 81 Nordeen, Lon O. (2006). Harrier II, Validating V/STOL. Annapolis, Maryland: Naval Institute Press. ISBN 1-59114-536-8. Page 30 Wilson, Stewart (2000). BAe / McDonnell Douglas Harrier. Shrewsbury, UK: Airlife Publishing. ISBN 1-84037-218-4. Could not find the AGM-119 "Penguin" reference but I remember I had it in a book. Harrier does have ASM capability Harrier have the capability of firing a weapon does not mean it has been used. OBS.: we have the Mark-77 bombs Sea eagle being tested Edited July 2, 2020 by pappachuck adding sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananabrai Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Does it refer which variant is capable of carrying them? The 'plus' or the 'N/A' I can't find any pictures of it carrying any of those three. Would ne nice to have them on the jet. But I am not that super-restrictive-guy anyway. Alias in Discord: Mailman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappachuck Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 The plus version can carry the AGM-88 and pretty much has the same radar as the F-18. However the N/A version has the ability to carry AGM-84 and the AGM-119. Harrier can even deploy JSOWs and the plus version can use AIM-120s. It is hard to find material but some forces apply the AGM-119 as Anti ship weapon. example: Royal Australian Navy https://themarshall.fandom.com/wiki/Royal_Australian_Navy_Fleet_Air_Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drPhibes Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Please check your sources. 1. The USMC source you refer to says nothing about the AV-8B carrying any of these weapons. AGM-88 is mentioned once in the document, and that's in the table describing firing range requirements. 2. Regarding link #2: I don't know what kind of fantasy land the author of that article lives in, but it is pure imagination. The RAN has never operated any type of Harrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 The plus version can carry the AGM-88 and pretty much has the same radar as the F-18. However the N/A version has the ability to carry AGM-84 and the AGM-119. Harrier can even deploy JSOWs and the plus version can use AIM-120s. It is hard to find material but some forces apply the AGM-119 as Anti ship weapon. example: Royal Australian Navy https://themarshall.fandom.com/wiki/Royal_Australian_Navy_Fleet_Air_Arm This wiki website you linked describes itself as follows: Welcome to The Marshall Wiki This is the Alternate History Wikia site of Chris Marshall. https://themarshall.fandom.com/wiki/Marshall_Wiki :doh: Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 This wiki website you linked describes itself as follows: https://themarshall.fandom.com/wiki/Marshall_Wiki :doh: ''That's a hard phail, Whiskey One, abort abort!' Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) According to the USMC the Harries can operate the AGM-88 and AGM-84, they also can use a older missile the AGM-119 "Penguin". They would be of easy implementation since they are already in game with the exception of the AGM-119. The link below refers to the official USMC AV-8B HarrierII manual: https://www.marines.mil/News/Publications/MCPEL/Electronic-Library-Display/Article/1838570/navmc-350051c-wch1/ Maybe I'm blind but where does it say anything about the AGM-84 or AGM-119 in this document? :huh: The AGM-88 is just being mentioned as an example for an ARM missile in the appendix that lists different categories of live fire shooting ranges and which type of weapon can be used on what type of range (page B-4). It doesn't say anywhere that it is a weapon in use with the Harrier. By that logic the Harrier would also be capable of launching Hellfires and TOWs as they are mentioned there in the same regard... Edited July 2, 2020 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Pappachuck, UK Sea Harriers are not USMC Harrier II NAs. What capabilities they had, didn't have, or were tested with, is irrelevant. Likewise with a Harrier II Plus. A distinction must be made as the capabilities vary quite a lot. Another relevant point is 'year model' or software package. An initial Harrier II NA is likely to have different capabilities compared one with more modern upgrades. I have not looked up your sources yet, just rules of thumb to keep in mind. ''Harrier II'' covers a very wiiiide range, and not every source is applicable to all Harriers, even if it IS applicable to one. Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Yeah OP totally pooched it. USMC harriers don't use the AGM-88, and AFAIK the US military never used the penguin. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drPhibes Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) AFAIK the US military never used the penguin. The US Navy did. I don't know if it's still in service. https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2200&tid=600&ct=2 Edited July 3, 2020 by drPhibes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnv2pt0 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Not that I care, but for posterity, the penguin is in game right now...has been forever I think. You can load it on SH-60 and they will fire them at surface contacts. I have used them in one of my missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappachuck Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 Spanish Navy use Harrier with the Penguin and it is their only ASM weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappachuck Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 The Harrier2 is a joint project between UK and US and even thought the USMC or the UK use different weapons their planes can employ all those weapons listed. As I said just because it can use certain weapons does not mean it gonna be used. We need to expand the Harrier 2 beyond the USMC its dumb having only USMC harriers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPT_Kirkpatrick Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) The Harrier2 is a joint project between UK and US and even thought the USMC or the UK use different weapons their planes can employ all those weapons listed. As I said just because it can use certain weapons does not mean it gonna be used. We need to expand the Harrier 2 beyond the USMC its dumb having only USMC harriers If we want to use the wiki for details on aircraft: "AV-8B Harrier II Plus Similar to the Night Attack variant, with the addition of an APG-65 radar and separate targeting pod. It is used by the USMC, Spanish Navy, and Italian Navy. Forty-six were built." Similar to the Night attack variant. Not the same. So the Spanish weapon systems are part of the AV-8B+, not the AV-8B-2 N/A we have. The British operate GR-x model harriers which are, as the wiki says, "derived from the McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II." so again, different to the AV-8B-2 N/A we have. Edited July 3, 2020 by CAPT_Kirkpatrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toilet2000 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 We need to expand the Harrier 2 beyond the USMC its dumb having only USMC harriers It's dumb that my base model Honda Civic doesn't have a turbo. It's dumb that Honda sold me a base model Honda Civic and doesn't give me the same things as the Si. Different planes, different systems, different nation, different weapons. It's not because it shares the same name that it is the same aircraft. The AV-8B+ has a lot of differences in system to our N/A for example. Razbam is supposed to give us the closest UK Harrier to our N/A, the GR-7, but there are still notable differences: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=187214 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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