Which Graphics card (sorry)? PC order spec.

[Andrew u.k.]

Hi all,

 

I'm about to build or order a new PC.

 

I currently have 10 year old 4790K and a 1070ti 32ram with CV1 rift.

 

Honestly every time I put the headset on I'm amazed by how cool it all looks and that's with everything on minimal settings. I'm coming from the C64 and Amiga, so this is all beyond my wildest dreams as a kid, even with lots of years under my DCS belt.

 

I'm in a lucky position to upgrade, comes every decade :megalol: What I would like to know is; is the extra 11GB so much better than the 8GB i.e. £300 better. And what about the difference between 2070 to 2080. Is it worth it.

 

I'm not waiting for the next best thing. I'll be upgrading in the next few weeks.

 

I'll probably only upgrade my Rift to an S.

 

If anyone wants to chip in with a good build for around £2,000 or less that would make it simple.

 

Choosing the Ram and motherboard that work well with it, and fit, to be honest, that confuses the hell out of me, when I read that 2x 16 is better than 4x 8 depending on the motherboard and PCIE routes......or something like that.

 

I'm a builder, but a house builder (bricks and timber):helpsmilie:

Edited July 8, 2020 by Andrew u.k.

[shu77]

There s a generational release of graphics cards in September so while you dont want to wait for 'the next best thing' you are buying just at the end of the cycle. Most of us are waiting until then to see what the 3000 series cards do to the market. If you were going to buy now I would recommend a 2080Super or 2080 over a 2070 as it will allow you to get onto the newer VR headsets like the Reverb Pro or Reverb G2 (again what were all waiting on) My understanding is that with the 2070 you will struggle without sacrificing settings. for reference heres my current preference on a build if I was going to get one tomorrow. Prices will be different where you are but should serve as some kind of reference. https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/6cBbQq

[Andrew u.k.]

That's perfect, thanks. Explains the difference between 2070 and 2080 and the reason.

 

I think I'll use your specs too.

 

Thanks again.

 

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[ChillNG]

I'm far from an expert on system specs but sounds like I'm running pretty much what you're after...and came from what you're currently running so if my experience can help....

 

Spent around 2k on mine I think (about 14 months ago), RTX 2080, 32 GB RAM (2 x 16 DDR4 300MHz), Ryzen 2600X and a couple of SSD's (DCS is on an M.2 SSD).

 

I'm VR user on Rift S. I get really, really decent performance with some fairly high settings, upgrading allowed me to increase PD, MSAA and with the Rift S made a huge difference to image quality. Was able to dramatically increase view distance and go full trees and grass which makes a big difference as well. Given the 2080 been out a while and new cards coming down the line maybe there will be some bargains coming up.

[Rainer_B.]

I build my rig around 2 months ago only for DCS (my normal PC is a Laptop). I've at the moment no ambition for VR and settled for a RTX2070 Super with Ryzen 3700X, 32 GB Ram (3200 MHz), NVME 1TB as boot drive and for games a 2 TB SSD on a X570 Board.

 

This should last a while until the new NVIDIA Generation drops to a normal price level. That was my reason to not by a 2080. The difference between 2070 Super and 2080 is not so big in comparison to justify the higher price.

Just my 2 Cents (and it's the same every time you built a computer, the moment you built it the rig is already old ;-))

Next Update would be a 3950X or similar and one of the new NVIDEA or AMD GPUs. Time will tell.

 

 

 

Rainer

[Bearskin]

Just had a look at your list shu77 and went in to look at the Aussie prices, its been a few years since I lived there and came to the UK, so I saw a 3770k listed at $1500, if you know anyone that's wants to buy mine, I will hand deliver it for that price.

[Leaderface]

I'm not waiting for the next best thing. I'll be upgrading in the next few weeks.

 

I'll probably only upgrade my Rift to an S.

Man: you better wait a month or two for uppgrading your VR headset: everybody is waiting to get a new HP Reverb G2. You will be very happy with that and price is reasonable. (You probably can preorder now).

 

Over the specs over a new computer for DCS: the components selected by SHU77 are a bit old by now (sorry): Better go with a new Intel 10600K or find a good deal with an 3800X AMD platform (or with a Ryzen 7 4700G landing in a couple of weeks).

Look the specifications of Reece146 recent upgrade for a more actual build and adjust your wallet with that 10600K.

AMD will be a little bit cheaper if you can live with a very decent but not top performance on DCS though.

But, anyway, you can´t be wrong neither with AMD or actual Intel platforms.

It´s only that new generation CPUs usually cost the same or less than old ones, so I will go with the newer platform as posible.

Just that.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Leaderface

[Andrew u.k.]

That G2 looks great, I doubt if my budget will stretch that far as I'm also jumping on the DoF Reality chair setup.....

 

Like you say, I think there's probably not too much between AMD and intel, it all depends on how much you want to spend and follow the price vs FPS curve.

[Revs]

I’ve been holding off a while to upgrade. Even if you’re not going for the latest release know that the price of what is available now will be 20-30% lower as the new products will have the premium prize.

[Leaderface]

That G2 looks great, I doubt if my budget will stretch that far as I'm also jumping on the DoF Reality chair setup.....

Man!: I too want a 6DOF platform :megalol:

Was looking on this one (the H6 one) https://dofreality.com/ :joystick: (I suspect you too).

(Since the Sega Afterburner machines in my infancy, LOL) (I´m going to throw a wall and put together two rooms to accomodate that thing).

And on the Reverb price: It will cost 100 $ more than a Rift-S (I think its money well spent on the better clarity).

Edited July 8, 2020 by Leaderface

[Eaglewings]

I’ve been holding off a while to upgrade. Even if you’re not going for the latest release know that the price of what is available now will be 20-30% lower as the new products will have the premium prize.

The way I see things too.

A little patience can earn a big fat bone here.

[Leaderface]

Well: those price reductions doesn´t account on new CPUs most of the times. You usually get better CPUs at the same price than the ones are replacing.

But you can get same performance with less money. That´s true.

[Andrew u.k.]

The H6 looks fantastic. I know someone with the H2, he loves that and he's still married. Always a compromise

[Leaderface]

We are crazy, Man, but I have to try that one.

[reece146]

Hmm, I was thinking/investigating putting together some Arduinos and/or RPi's to control some linear actuators or hydraulics to do a 6DOF seat setup.

 

That H6 set up - ready to unbox and plug in? Very tempting. I could build it for a lot less if my time is worth nothing - but it isn't so I'll call buying that unit "good value" if it is plug-n-play.

 

I've got some automotive projects in the foreground - maybe next spring...

[Andrew u.k.]

Thanks for all the advice.

 

I'm now going to postpone purchasing anything until the Autumn, thanks for ruining the summer

:(

 

The Reverb G2 looks really impressive and i didn't realise the price point would be so low.

 

Has anyone pre-ordered? This preview will make you want to. But it just seems to good to be true.

 

[Leaderface]

It´s that good, Andrew.

And for that reason you can´t buy a Rift-S now (not for Sims). Many people have preordered one in advance.

But you never know: maybe in fall 2020 Oculus disclose something amazing, or Samsung....

What´s for sure is new Ryzen3, new headset, SSDs, Nividia cards, etc will be aviable near October 2020 and, if you upgrade every 5-10 years, it´s worth to wait those 3 months.

If you can´t wait: buy one Intel 10600K or AMD 3800X-XT but save as much as you can for those headsets and xtra gears on fall 2020 and you will be fine too.

The next big thing on VR will be mainstream 4K panels per eye, FOV increase and wireless connection (with downgraded resolution though), but that will delay one or two years more. And for that reason the Reverb G2 will be fine for the moment.

[Leaderface]

Hmm, I was thinking/investigating putting together some Arduinos and/or RPi's to control some linear actuators or hydraulics to do a 6DOF seat setup.

 

That H6 set up - ready to unbox and plug in? Very tempting. I could build it for a lot less if my time is worth nothing - but it isn't so I'll call buying that unit "good value" if it is plug-n-play.

I've got some automotive projects in the foreground - maybe next spring...

Yes: it´s almost plug&play and use an easy software. And it´s decently cheap looking at the competition.

Especially the H2 version Andrew noted it´s a steal for the experience.

For racing porpouses the H3 is a bargain too. (And you can upgrade later).

 

The only missing link is motion compensation for VR headsets with inside-out tracking.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Leaderface

[Eaglewings]

It´s that good, Andrew.

And for that reason you can´t buy a Rift-S now (not for Sims). Many people have preordered one in advance.

But you never know: maybe in fall 2020 Oculus disclose something amazing, or Samsung....

What´s for sure is new Ryzen3, new headset, SSDs, Nividia cards, etc will be aviable near October 2020 and, if you upgrade every 5-10 years, it´s worth to wait those 3 months.

If you can´t wait: buy one Intel 10600K or AMD 3800X-XT but save as much as you can for those headsets and xtra gears on fall 2020 and you will be fine too.

The next big thing on VR will be mainstream 4K panels per eye, FOV increase and wireless connection (with downgraded resolution though), but that will delay one or two years more. And for that reason the Reverb G2 will be fine for the moment.

 

So much uncertainty right now.

I heard samsung was doing something in vr but not so much word out there. I am sure Oculus would have something cooking too.

The time in between next gen or refresh of this hardware is get short now to build a reasonable future proof system.

Look at ampere vs rdna2.

I would just do few ram, storage and graphic card upgrade and plan for new PC build when the horizon get clearer and settled.

 

The HP reverb G2 looks good and tempting especially for flightsim where picture resolution is important for me.

 

Yes: it´s almost plug&play and use an easy software. And it´s decently cheap looking at the competition.

Especially the H2 version Andrew noted it´s a steal for the experience.

For racing porpouses the H3 is a bargain too. (And you can upgrade later).

 

The only missing link is motion compensation for VR headsets with inside-out tracking.

 

I watched a video that compared the various motion simulation seat in the market and the the guys in DOFreality seems to have the most affordable build.

 

Is the yaw effect much of an input in flight sim? I understand the H2 package with pitch and roll movement only will do for flightsim games.

 

Motion compensation in vr for inside-out tracking , is that a big deal?

Edited July 9, 2020 by Eaglewings

[Andrew u.k.]

A chap in our squadron has the H2, he's had it for 2 years now. The new ones have been upgraded since. Still says it performs well and the software has improved. He turns it off now and again just to see what he's missing. He still absolutely loves it. He flies in VR and doesn't have problems, I think he has the Rift S.

 

The H2 can be upgraded for more cash later.

 

I have a jet seat sim shaker and additional bass shakers, I couldn't live without them.

 

On the Q& A part of their website.

 

Most customers find no need for motion cancellation / compensation https://youtu.be/oi8yvWzZXVw. But we have different ways to provide motion Compensation cancellation. In some articles you may find two terms – motion Compensation and motion Cancellation used to describe the same goal. However, motion Compensation is the proper term to define the actions to compensate the head movements caused by motion simulator so it doesn’t affect the players view. You can use any VR set with or without the external reference tracking camera like (Rift or Vive). We have many users reporting better results when camera(s) mounted in front of the platform making sure it is always visible from any helmet location.

 

We include mounts for Oculus as Vive is easy to mount on the top of the seat

 

For all WMR VR with inbuild tracking (Rift S, PiMax, Odyssey, Vive) just cover the sensors with soft tape or self stick pads (like furniture legs self adhesive protection pads):

 

 

 

Oculus VR Motion Cancellation https://dofreality.com/OpenVR.pdf

 

HTC Vive – Vive Pro VR Motion Cancellation Setup Guide https://dofreality.com/HTCMotionCancellation.pdf

Edited July 9, 2020 by Andrew u.k.

[Leaderface]

I even questioned them specifically by e-mail about motion compesation.

In a H2 system it´s no t so important as on H6. And other profesional platforms have motion compensation. (I don´t want to lose the spatial axis on VR ocluding the cams on Rift-S and Reverb. And does´t work well indeed).

But it seems that most people doesn´t feel the need to compensate in the "medium" movement settings of the gear.

I have to give it a shoot when I´m ready.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Leaderface

[Leaderface]

I have a jet seat sim shaker and additional bass shakers, I couldn't live without them.

Can you explain that a little?

I mean: I can understand the inmersion of a butt kicker on the pianos on a racing sim and chaging gears, but what is the added effect on a plane?

I like the inmersion of a good subwoofer but those shakers?, what are they meant for in flight sims?

I know people use them but don´t understand the porpouse.

Thanks!

[Andrew u.k.]

It brings the whole thing alive.

 

Drop the gear you get a solid clunk.

Start the apu you get a higher pitched whir under your bum.

Get the main engines running you can feel the heavier vibration.

Drop the canopy, get a vibration in your back and then clunk.

A10c gun get the full vibration. Brrrrr.

 

In the huey, low rev you feel a long beat.

Best is leaving ETL, effective transional lift,you feel it kicking in and know when to feed in power.

 

When flying in vr it gives you a sense of feel. I can't recommend it enough.

 

I have Andre's jet seat and also 2 bass shakers wired to a car amp. The jet seat gives me all of the individual vibration and the bass shakers give me the engine, I have my hotas attached to the chair so this shakes and vibrates from the bass shakers and gives a real sense of being in the flying vibrating machine.

 

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[Leaderface]

So, basically, two shakers under the chair make the deal?

And.... sorry: Andre´s Jet´s seat? (That´s new to me too), What´s that?, if you are so kind....

Are there different types of them?, How do you connect that?

Thanks!

[Andrew u.k.]

https://andres.shop/jetseat/24-vibrating-pad-simshaker-jetpad-fse.html

 

I used to have just the shakers and the software, (buy that from his site) but I also bought the jet seat that took a few weeks to deliver, but came a week early than shipping suggested .

 

Well worth having the seat as you can feel the difference in the different parts of your body.

 

Bass shakers work really well as background.

 

Have you heard of pointctrl?

 

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