RWS with and without LTWS

[redboot]

When searching in RWS mode, why would you ever choose not to enable LTWS? The LTWS information is more granular and helpful. Is there some advantage to running RWS without LTWS enabled that escapes me?

[kengou]

I don’t think there’s any advantage to turning off ltws except maybe to avoid cluttering your screen with l&s information.

[dundun92]

Also you wouldnt be able to IFF without STTing people. So yea dont see why youd want to tbh

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Just did some testing. Yeah, it's more like they should just have LTWS as default and a declutter button to go into RWS. Also, they say you can't launch and guide AIM120s at LNS and DT2 targets in LTWS mode but I can shoot both down just fine. There's even the "shoot" cue in the HUD.

Edited August 26, 2020 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[QuiGon]

Just did some testing. Yeah, it's more like they should just have LTWS as default and a declutter button to go into RWS. Also, they say you can't shoot AIM120s at the LNS and DT2 in LTWS mode but I can shoot both down just fine.

LTWS is on by default. Unless that has changed recently? :huh:

[Harker]

Also, they say you can't shoot AIM120s at the LNS and DT2 in LTWS mode but I can shoot both down just fine.

IIRC you can shoot, but it's not recommended, because usually, the RWS/LTWS trackfile update rate isn't high enough to ensure good trackfile quality. I also remember reading the radar will automatically transition to TWS AUTO on the L&S upon launch, to improve trackfile quality, but don't quote me on that, I'm unsure of the source.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

LTWS is on by default. Unless that has changed recently? :huh:

 

It is on by default. What I meant was that LTWS shouldn't even be a subset option of RWS. It could have been the main thing and then you 'declutter' into RWS if need be. If that makes better design sense. LoL

 

Update: Ok, maybe because datalink has to be turned on to use LTWS, therefore RWS is the baseline default.

Edited August 26, 2020 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

IIRC you can shoot, but it's not recommended, because usually, the RWS/LTWS trackfile update rate isn't high enough to ensure good trackfile quality. I also remember reading the radar will automatically transition to TWS AUTO on the L&S upon launch, to improve trackfile quality, but don't quote me on that, I'm unsure of the source.

 

I thought it might transition to TWS too but I checked the Attk RDR page when launching at both targets and post launch as well, and it still indicated "RWS" on the top left all the time.

 

In Chuck's guide as well as in one video tutorial I saw, they both said you cannot launch weapons in LTWS mode. I guess that needs to be updated?

 

I would agree though the radar scan focus in LTWS with LNS/DT2 would not be as good compared to TWS since it's still stays in RWS general scan mode (pre STT) with no azimuth restrictions.

Edited August 26, 2020 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[Harker]

I thought it might transition to TWS too but I checked the Attk RDR page when launching at both targets and post launch as well, and it still indicated "RWS" on the top left all the time.

Oh, I didn't mean it works like that in DCS right now. Just that I read that it should work like that.

[gofrm76]

It is on by default. What I meant was that LTWS shouldn't even be a subset option of RWS. It could have been the main thing and then you 'declutter' into RWS if need be. If that makes better design sense. LoL

 

Update: Ok, maybe because datalink has to be turned on to use LTWS, therefore RWS is the baseline default.

 

If you turn off D/L you should still have the "auto" IFF active with LTWS, rigth? So there would still be a reason to switch LTWS on/off explicitly.

 

Regarding declutter, I was of the impression that turning LTWS off deactivates data acquisition and processing entirely rather than just removing the symbology from the display. Otherwise, it would surely be called something like DCLT or the like.

 

So still, there must be some disadvantages to having this turned on, otherwise, it could be "hardcoded" into RWS as said before and there would be not option to turn this off...

Edited August 28, 2020 by gofrm76

[=4c=Nikola]

When searching in RWS mode, why would you ever choose not to enable LTWS? The LTWS information is more granular and helpful. Is there some advantage to running RWS without LTWS enabled that escapes me?

 

Because of all that clutter it introduces on display. I never use it, if I need more info I switch to TWS.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

If you turn off D/L you should still have the "auto" IFF active with LTWS, rigth? So there would still be a reason to switch LTWS on/off explicitly.

 

Regarding declutter, I was of the impression that turning LTWS off deactivates data acquisition and processing entirely rather than just removing the symbology from the display. Otherwise, it would surely be called something like DCLT or the like.

 

So still, there must be some disadvantages to having this turned on, otherwise, it could be "hardcoded" into RWS as said before and there would be not option to turn this off...

 

Yes, you are right. D/L off + LTWS on = auto IFF in RDR but blank SA.

 

I find LTWS is like TWS in RWS without the radar focus and azimuth limitation. And you can fire at both LNS and DT2 and get good hits despite some manuals/tutorials saying that you cannot launch missiles in LTWS.