Anyone planning on getting the 3090 for VR?

[Mking]

I wait for 3080 ti 20gb. The 1080 ti was 14% faster as the titan x 2017. I hope a 3080 ti 20gb its faster as the 3090 24gb. Let us hope ! see bench https://www.computerbase.de/2017-03/geforce-gtx-1080-ti-test/

Edited September 25, 2020 by Mking

[Mking]

@AURELIUS wait until next year, around may june it will come ;) or ED optimizes Vr first. Then we don't need the card anymore ... :)

[Mking]

In the other thread Harlikwin you asked me about the test conditions, so I will reply here.

 

I did not have a chance to really even get into the card. I brought an SSD with DCS on it and one of my Reverbs. After farting around for about 40 min to get shit set up, I flew the three test missions I always fly, the P-51 at Batumi, the Su-27 over Dubai and the Hornet on the Condition III approach (at night). The settings were almost everything set to the max. The results were:

 

P-51 at Batumi - The 3090 displayed a FPS increase of 41% over the 2080 Ti. (For example, my 2080 Ti at home hangs at around ~ 30 FPS but the 3090 averaged about 42 to 43 FPS.)

Su-27 over Dubai - The 3090 displayed a FPS increase of 28% over the 2080 Ti

Hornet at night - The 3090 displayed a FPS increase of 34% over the 2080 Ti.

 

That is all I got to do before I got booted off :) It was rough and dirty and I am not sure when I can steal some of their time away again.

 

The price its to mutch for 34% . Thanks for the bench results. Greets

[Gunnars Driver]

In the other thread Harlikwin you asked me about the test conditions, so I will reply here.

 

P-51 at Batumi - The 3090 displayed a FPS increase of 41% over the 2080 Ti.

 

Was the hardware: CPU incuding clock speed and RAM memory comparable to your own ?

[Gunnars Driver]

My main home system is in my sig. Their system is made up of a 9900K at 5.2 GHz, an z390 motherboard, 32 Gigs of RAM with a Samsung 970 Pro SSD.

 

Thank you for the info, should be good for cross comparing.

[boedha68]

@AURELIUS wait until next year, around may june it will come ;) or ED optimizes Vr first. Then we don't need the card anymore ... :)

 

Oeps.... Optimize problems are there when playing in VR.

 

But VR is a HUGE STEP for your hardware.

 

I hope a new game engine comes SOONER THEN SOON.

 

Wel unrealengine 5 can handle the job easy in my opinion. But training on the job to learn it for the developers is crucial.

 

Why not a little test bed for the ED team! :D Port it over....

[nessuno0505]

No. No. No.

 

More like 10% in the best case scenario of 4K gaming. 18% only in benchmarking. It is all in the thread already, if you bother to read it. (Or read or listen to the numerous reviews out there.

 

I can link you tests on real 4k gaming, 10% was the starting wrong estimates, It Is slightly more than that but nevertheless nothing worthwhile for the price. If It Is only 10% it's even more a bad choice. But the main point of the 3090 Is for content creation, that 24 GB RAM are useful for Blender and such. It's a titan with a different name and a slightly lower price to convince gamers it worth it, but it does not.

 

PS ti or s version with doubled vram are just rumors, I wouldn't really rely on it

Edited September 25, 2020 by nessuno0505

[imacken]

I can link you tests on real 4k gaming, 10% was the starting wrong estimates, It Is slightly more than that but nevertheless nothing worthwhile for the price. If It Is only 10% it's even more a bad choice. But the main point of the 3090 Is for content creation, that 24 GB RAM are useful for Blender and such. It's a titan with a different name and a slightly lower price to convince gamers it worth it, but it does not.

 

In your opinion, maybe. In mine, it most certainly is worth it. 4K benchmarks (and no doubt VR when we get them) are showing about 20% increase over the 3080. Well worth it I would say. but it depends on where you stand on price/performance balance.

[nessuno0505]

I agree with you: the difference vs 3080 is more 20% than 10%. I was questioning the wisdom of paying more than doubled the price to have only 20% (as the best estimate) performance gain, for a VGA that will be an unsaleable brick within 2 years. Who would buy a second hand 2080ti now, when you can buy a 3070 for half (if not a third) the price? If you want to sell a 2080ti now you have to heavily sell It off. A 2080 and even more a 2070 are a cashier's check on the second-hand market: very easy to sell for the right amount of money. The same will happen with the 3090 and 30xx series in general. A 3090 is not the best choice money-wise, imho. But if you are rich and have money to throw it's still an option.

Edited September 25, 2020 by nessuno0505

[FoxTwo]

In your opinion, maybe. In mine, it most certainly is worth it. 4K benchmarks (and no doubt VR when we get them) are showing about 20% increase over the 3080. Well worth it I would say. but it depends on where you stand on price/performance balance.

 

No, it's really not. It is very much 10% on average. And sometimes less in older game engines. Which are more equivalent to DCS. It really only sometimes pulls ahead in select DX12 or Vulkan titles, or with DLSS and ray tracing.

 

That's not an opinion, it's fact.

 

 

It's your money and you can do whatever you want with it, but buying a 3090 even for 4k gaming is a massive, massive waste of money and people paying 110% less than you will get 90% of the experience you do.

[nessuno0505]

We can argue about 10 or 20% more, let's say 15% so we all can agree :D , it's an indubitable fact that the 3090 Is a huge waste of money

[Waxer]

I can link you tests on real 4k gaming, 10% was the starting wrong estimates, It Is slightly more than that but nevertheless nothing worthwhile for the price

 

Sure: go ahead. Let's see your source.

[imacken]

We can argue about 10 or 20% more, let's say 15% so we all can agree :D , it's an indubitable fact that the 3090 Is a huge waste of money

 

It is not an 'indubitable fact', it's merely your opinion. I, and others, have a different one.

[Waxer]

I'd still like to see his data.

[boedha68]

The practical test will show the numbers. So you must have the card in hand and drop it in your pc. :D :book:

[imacken]

This has become a pointless discussion.

 

It is simple, if you don't feel the extra 10-20% is worth double the price, then fine, don't buy a 3090. I you do feel it is, then look forward to that extra performance.

[freehand]

I am currently running a 1080ti and not comfortable going from 11 to 10 gb of Gpu ram.

 

So I will wait a little.

[Waxer]

The practical test will show the numbers. So you must have the card in hand and drop it in your pc. :D :book:

 

Sure, sure. But the OP made an unsubstantiated comment. He was told he was wrong. He doubled down and offered proof. So yeah... I'd like to see nessuno0505's data.

 

I'll laugh if he links to the pre-release leaker that was showing game benchmark results extrapolated from synthetic benchmarks. But yeah... let's see what you got nessuno0505.

[eaglecash867]

No, it's really not. It is very much 10% on average. And sometimes less in older game engines. Which are more equivalent to DCS. It really only sometimes pulls ahead in select DX12 or Vulkan titles, or with DLSS and ray tracing.

 

That's not an opinion, it's fact.

 

It's your money and you can do whatever you want with it, but buying a 3090 even for 4k gaming is a massive, massive waste of money and people paying 110% less than you will get 90% of the experience you do.

 

According to that graph, the 2080ti represented a 38.6% improvement over the 1080ti, and to be honest, I didn't notice much if any improvement in performance in DCS between the two cards on the same rig. I think many others here have said something similar. Just something to think about in the "percent improvement" discussion.

[speed-of-heat]

Anyone who is expecting a linear performance increase for a given price inside a generation is kidding themselves, higher performance is nearly always an accelerating cost for a large number of reasons. But you are welcome to live in a different reality and make choices for you.

 

Value is a relative proposition. My personal view is if I "only" get 10% perf increase in VR over a 3080, that's actually more than enough to be substantial in VR for me (82 FPS in VR on a 3080 becomes 90). We have seen numbers of 40 to 10 claimed by various people in DCS. Heck we even saw one person claim there was no difference between a 3080 and a 2080ti.

 

But none of them give anything like the detail you need to make an assessment of their environment, settings, nvidia settings, condition of windows, processor, memory clocks etc...

 

The level of guesswork to data is super high here... anyway ... i have ordered one, because it wasn't much more than the 2080ti i was going to buy and its what i saved for the last year to get... so i will see :)

[FoxTwo]

it wasn't much more than the 2080ti

 

There I have to disagree with you a bit.

 

I bought my new MSI Gaming X Trio 2080ti for ~1100 USD.

 

I could have bought a 3090 EVGA FTW3 for ~2000 USD shipped + tax yesterday.

 

That's a lot more in my book. Yes I realize it's not the FE but neither was my 2080ti.

[speed-of-heat]

There I have to disagree with you a bit.

 

I bought my new MSI Gaming X Trio 2080ti for ~1100 USD.

 

I could have bought a 3090 EVGA FTW3 for ~2000 USD shipped + tax yesterday.

 

That's a lot more in my book. Yes I realize it's not the FE but neither was my 2080ti.

 

 

cost of the FTW3 2080ti 1499$USD cost of the FTW3 3090 1799 from EVGA ... helps if you compare like for like i find

Edited September 25, 2020 by speed-of-heat

[Gunnars Driver]

It is not an 'indubitable fact', it's merely your opinion. I, and others, have a different one.

 

Exactly. The usage differs a lot between people and with that the needs. A 1080P gamer wouldnt need to change his 2080ti at all I think.

 

In my case coming from a overclocked 2080ti I think the win with a 3080 isnt as big as test shows with a standard 2080ti. As it looks for me I would get around X% better fps with a 3080 and about 2X better with a 3090. In that perspective, it does not feel wise to get a 3080.

In my case its more of either get a 3090 (I can afford it) or wait until next generation.

 

I have almost always bought high quality stuff and can not rememeber even one time I have regetted buying the best.

 

If I look at frame times, I need about 40% lower frame times to make the GPU break even with the CPU. 3080 probably wont do that, but 3090 might come close.

 

Doing VR-only gaming also is a high resulotion gaming. It seems the higher the resolution the bigger the difference between the cards. At 8K the 3090 seems around 25% better than the 3080.

For my current VR-settings I am somewhere around the middle between 4K and 8K.

 

4K is 8,3Mpixels

VR / Reverb+150% SS Is 14Mpixels.

8K is 33 Mpixels

[imacken]

Good grief, do we have to continue with this? Been gone through here so many times already.

In the UK, 2080 Ti £1100-£1400, 3090 £1400-£1800.

Please compare like with like.

[Motomouse]

Anyone planning on getting the 3090 for VR?

 

no

 

 

gonna get me a MiG-15 and some other toys instead