P-37 and PRV-11 radars

[Whiskey11]

On 5/22/2024 at 2:14 AM, Northstar98 said:

Well, as I said, both are already animated, the problem here is specifically the PRV-11 due to it being a height finder, which is somewhat different than any other radar currently in DCS.

There’s no excuse for the P-37 not to be animated, it already rotates even as a functionless scenery object - just pay a visit to all but one or 2 airports/airbases on the Caucasus 

There is already a working P-37 from the SAM Site Asset Pack, so no use duplicating that work. 

 

The PRV-11 is... a different challenge. As I pointed out with my mod of it, the DCS 3D model animation arguments are such that it isn't possible, at least that I've seen, to make it function correctly. The rotation of the entire array is reverse what is necessary for a tracking radar and so it tracks inverse to what it should. (Target moving right to left, radar tracking left to right).

The animation for the nodding is similarly broken.  The way DCS modules get around the repeating animation problems is by having -1 and 1 on the animation argument be the same place for the model so it resets to where it already is. This isn't the case for the PRV-11 as -1 is all the way up and 1 is all the way down (or reverse that, i don't remember)... it isn't for the mobile Soviet ILS truck though and it works with similar animation arguments to the PRV-11 but the file which controls the animation arguments for it are buried in ED code. Short of ED giving that code up, I doubt we can get the ED PRV-11 working animations. 

[killjoy73au]

1 minute ago, Whiskey11 said:

There is already a working P-37 from the SAM Site Asset Pack, so no use duplicating that work. 

I think the idea is for it to be in DCS core, and not have to rely on mods.

[Silver_Dragon]

The main problem of that radars has only "atrezzo", no funtionality yet and hight finder funtionality I think has no implement into DCS Yet.

[Northstar98]

1 hour ago, Whiskey11 said:

There is already a working P-37 from the SAM Site Asset Pack, so no use duplicating that work. 

As killjoy73au said, the overall idea is to have the P-37 and PRV-11 (but especially the -37) present as a core game unit, using the existing model (which, despite its age is fairly high-quality, though I'd probably get rid of the green mound it sits on).

It's also one of the radars the Shrike targets and I'm not sure if the mod has the bands set up.

[MBot]

Bump for Soviet EWR/GCI radar for the Kola map.

[Shepa-irkut2]

Hello @Northstar98 ) What country are you from?) How can I contact you? We want to make an animation based on radars.

[Northstar98]

11 hours ago, Shepa-irkut2 said:

Hello @Northstar98 ) What country are you from?) How can I contact you? We want to make an animation based on radars.

Again, I'm afraid making these kind of mods for DCS is outside my sphere and my knowledge of 3D modelling/animations is marginal.

I do know that the model files in question are already set up with animations, they just need controlling.

I would recommend asking for assistance here, as I really am the wrong person to ask.

Ideally though, these would be added by ED - it should be relatively trivial for them.

[Kvek]

Great idea, ED please add these radars as a usable unit. SAM functionality its totally abandoned. They focus in moddeling explosion blast to move vegetation over real important things.

[twistking]

we're also still waiting for the P-14. the SA-5/S-200 is somewhat useless without it.

[Northstar98]

15 minutes ago, twistking said:

we're also still waiting for the P-14. the SA-5/S-200 is somewhat useless without it.

Yep...

Would also be a very useful EWR, fitting on several of our maps (including the Caucasus, Syria and Kola).

Edited October 15, 2024 by Northstar98

[Whiskey11]

On 10/15/2024 at 12:48 PM, twistking said:

we're also still waiting for the P-14. the SA-5/S-200 is somewhat useless without it.

That mod will do what you are asking, but because of the way ED changed ws.type handling in the LUA code, it will always show up as an "Unknown" on RWR... There is more holding the SA-5 back than just the Tin Shield they paired it with in the base code... even with the P-14, the max engagement range only extends out about another 10-15nmi.

[Northstar98]

With Germany supposedly coming this month, I want to bump this request - the P-37 and the PRV-11 are both radars that are quite prolific among the East German LSK and is stationed at numerous EWR sites throughout the GDR.

https://www.nva-futt.de/index.html?https://www.nva-futt.de/eingangfutt/inhaltfutt.shtml

Both radars have perfectly sufficient models (though the mound the P-37 sits on should probably be deleted), all they're require is a suitable sensor and unit definition, which should be fairly trivial for ED to implement.

Edited April 15 by Northstar98
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