iPod_09 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) I noticed unknown and hostile aircrafts are not represented in the Scorpion HMCS and TAD. In the documentation I can see : AIR TRK FRIEND : No function AIR NEUTRAL : No function AIR SUSPECT : No function AIR HOSTILE : No function AIR OTHER : No function Since AWACS feed this information to link-16 + obviously the placeholder option is there, how is it that we are not able to see it both on TAD and HMCS ? Edited October 1, 2020 by kaymelkan 2 Badoo 4 | iPod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomTOTEN Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 A-10 doesn't use Link 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPod_09 Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 A-10 doesn't use Link 16 Yes you are right it uses SADL, which "shares information with Link16 through gateways" (source : USAF) "With SADL you can see everything that a friendly user puts on the link," So IRL A10C have no way to see air threats at least on their TAD ? Well that's a disappointment. Badoo 4 | iPod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziptie Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Yes you are right it uses SADL, which "shares information with Link16 through gateways" (source : USAF) "With SADL you can see everything that a friendly user puts on the link," +1 The picture is worth a thousand words: https://media.defense.gov/2007/Jun/27/2000477215/780/780/0/062607-F-0602B-100.JPG Cheers, Ziptie i7 6700 @4ghz, 32GB HyperX Fury ddr4-2133 ram, GTX980, Oculus Rift CV1, 2x1TB SSD drives (one solely for DCS OpenBeta standalone) Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Cougar MFDs Airframes: A10C, A10CII, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-16C, UH=1H, FC3. Modules: Combined Arms, Supercarrier. Terrains: Persian Gulf, Nevada NTTR, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBamse Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 @SmilingBandit The gateway is already in the game and has been there for a quite long time, just place an E-3 or similar AWACS in the mission and you're golden. The specific case of non-friendly air not being shown is not due to a gateway not existing in the mission tho as per the info from Snoopy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 @SmilingBandit The gateway is already in the game and has been there for a quite long time, just place an E-3 or similar AWACS in the mission and you're golden. The specific case of non-friendly air not being shown is not due to a gateway not existing in the mission tho as per the info from Snoopy. The simulated "gateway" is not done correctly currently, at least in MP v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website | v303rd Fighter Group Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmilingBandit Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 The simulated "gateway" is not done correctly currently, at least in MP Even in single player it's incomplete. In my play around map there is an E-2 and I added an E-3 to make sure I wasn't missing something as a potential gateway. Furthermore I put in an F-15C AI as another Link 16 donor. As you can see in the attached picture, the F-18 SA page shows all the friendly aircraft (the two AWACS near the center, the F-15 near bullseye, and the two tankers in between). In the A-10 I only see the three jets that are donors and none of the other tracks that they share with Link 16 jets. As another data point I created a clean mission with only an A-10C II, a KC-135, and an F-15C. The F-15 is visible on the TAD despite no gateway unit existing. So more the issue appears to be that the gateway function is only sharing the information for donor aircraft, but not their tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawk2174 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Yeah the gateway should be added at a minimum, Waypoint lines, Boxes, and the threat rings (both Preplanned, ELINT detected, and datalink) would just be an amazing secondary addition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPod_09 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 Can we have a formal statement from ED regarding this feature please? Is it on the TODO list? Is it planned? 1 Badoo 4 | iPod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) Yeah, the minimum i would expect is to see other friendly contacts and bogeys detected by an awacs or GCI radars. It would increase survivability so much in a contested air space... Edited October 8, 2020 by falcon_120 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestone Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 TAD and HMCS Datalink incomplete picture The TAD and HMCS are only displaying other A10C's and AWACS. Other planes espcacially other players (friendly or enemy) in MP, are not displayed. Maybe a Link 16 Gateway thing? Or incomplete data from the AWACS trough SADL? Every other plane can see the complete picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 The thing is ED is not being clear about this, either the clearly state they are not implementing it for whichever reason or they state its planned for the future, but they are playing the No comments game for the moment. I guess they know they should implement at least friendly non AI planes when a L16 gateway is available but right now is uncomfortable given the sheer amounts of things in the pipeline and low price of the update. Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I guess they know they should implement at least friendly non AI planes when a L16 gateway is available but right now is uncomfortable given the sheer amounts of things in the pipeline and low price of the update. I think your conspiracy theory is reaching just a little. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website | v303rd Fighter Group Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I think your conspiracy theory is reaching just a little. Quite a simple theory i pose to be considered conspiracy, but ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Quite a simple theory i pose to be considered conspiracy, but ok You’re kind of suggesting that ED are not playing things straight for some undisclosed reason other than “It’s WIP” so that comes off as conspiratorial. I’m willing, at this point, to give them the benefit of the doubt. They’ve been made aware for quite some time now that SADL doesn’t show everything it should but it will probably never show everything it can given that the A-10 (both versions) are born of paid contracts with a very important client. Obviously, I hope ED will eventually give us as much as they possibly can. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 You’re kind of suggesting that ED are not playing things straight for some undisclosed reason other than “It’s WIP” so that comes off as conspiratorial. . I'm not suggesting, i'm stating that so far ED have played the no comment game. There are reasonable reasons for that like that they want to do it but now they dont have enough resources, or maybe they wont do it, in which case they need to state it fair and square so pleople stop asking about it. Again, no conspiracies, no dark intentions whatsoever, just too silent for my taste, hopefully some ED associate will chime in and shed some light to the functionality asked. Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 They’ve been made aware for quite some time now that SADL doesn’t show everything it should but it will probably never show everything it can given that the A-10 (both versions) are born of paid contracts with a very important client. Obviously, I hope ED will eventually give us as much as they possibly can. Which is totally fine, understable reason, as I said before, just let us know the official word on this. And btw ive never doubt ED. Whatever their decission is. DCS will continue being my main hobbie and i will keep being a happy customer :) Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmilingBandit Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 You’re kind of suggesting that ED are not playing things straight for some undisclosed reason other than “It’s WIP” so that comes off as conspiratorial. I’m willing, at this point, to give them the benefit of the doubt. They’ve been made aware for quite some time now that SADL doesn’t show everything it should but it will probably never show everything it can given that the A-10 (both versions) are born of paid contracts with a very important client. Obviously, I hope ED will eventually give us as much as they possibly can. Is the gateway work in progress? The only thing I've read from ED sources says it's in. If what is in the game is their end state then it is what it is, but it's sorely lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icemaker Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 When we enable EPLRS on IA planes it Works (almost) but not with Human... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icemaker Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Not a single word for A-10 since months 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco-Taylor Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I'd definitely like to hear EDs intentions regarding the current datalink implementation, the limited implementation in singleplayer is cool but multiplayer datalink needs some love especially given the fact contested AA environments are standard for most multiplayer servers. That said some more A-10 news in general would be nice, been pretty quiet apart from the odd bug fixes since October 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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