S77th-GOYA Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 I repeat, why is the thread about the performance of the AMRAAM closed? The last post is a warning to keep it on topic. The apparent trouble maker in that thread was banned. Why is it closed?
GGTharos Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Wrong missile; the one you're thinking of (And Yefim got wrong) is the R-74, with the M-80ME seeker IIRC. Off-bore unconfirmed but it may well be a CCD seeker with 90 deg off-bore. I wish I could find out who the seeker manufacturer is. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
RedTiger Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 I repeat, why is the thread about the performance of the AMRAAM closed? The last post is a warning to keep it on topic. The apparent trouble maker in that thread was banned. Why is it closed? BUMP for this question too. I was going to ask a question in that thread yesterday and it was locked before I could post. I'm guessing they took a common forum policy I've seen many times before: you close a thread that got a member banned. But I was all ready and rarin' to get the thread back on topic! :cry:
Brit_Radar_Dude Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 :huh::blink:I don't want to sound gullible but, I guess I am. Is that really how they test the seeker on a R-73? Why not? A friend of mine used to work on anti-ship missiles years ago. One of them had both a radar and IR seeker. When they were running tests, they would check the IR seeker was working by walking around the lab with a soldering iron. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Sorry Death, you lose! It was Professor Plum....
nscode Posted April 11, 2008 Author Posted April 11, 2008 Yeah... you can see something like that in the MiG-35 development video.. :) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
S77th-GOYA Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Why not? A friend of mine used to work on anti-ship missiles years ago. One of them had both a radar and IR seeker. When they were running tests, they would check the IR seeker was working by walking around the lab with a soldering iron. :) Well, maybe here's why not. Chances are that the soldering iron was hotter than a cigarette (possibly much, much hotter) and I doubt the lab provided for distances of 300 meters from the seeker. This is not necessarily proof of anything other than the two tests could be quite different.
nscode Posted April 11, 2008 Author Posted April 11, 2008 I should mention that the 300m figure is me remembering what someone said that he was remembering someone said to him :) So, it's somewhere in the 100-500 range :D But the principle stays. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Vekkinho Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 I remember having NVG during my military training, I could spot a group of 3 men sharing a ciggie...or whatever it was cca 3 km away on top of the skyscraper! LOL! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 I repeat, why is the thread about the performance of the AMRAAM closed? The last post is a warning to keep it on topic. The apparent trouble maker in that thread was banned. Why is it closed? 'scuse me but who was banned?! I didn't follow that topic too much! Oooh, I see it was Roko! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Weta43 Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Chances are that the soldering iron was hotter than a cigarette (possibly much, much hotter) If the cigarette is glowing to the naked eye - ie giving off visible red light, and the soldering iron is not glowing to the naked eye - hot but only giving off IR, the cigarette is hotter than the soldering iron. Something giving off yellow light would be hotter again. What the soldering iron might be doing is giving of more heat, but that's a different thing to being hotter. Cheers.
159th_Viper Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 I remember having NVG during my military training, I could spot a group of 3 men sharing a ciggie...or whatever it was cca 3 km away on top of the skyscraper! LOL! Lol Yeah - you light up like a Christmas tree having a Fag at night........that and the smell of Toothpaste in the Bush........man you can smell that a good while away too! Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
RvEYoda Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Oh btw here is a pic of the "Cessna-EOS" I was talking about earlier :) S = SPARSE(m,n) abbreviates SPARSE([],[],[],m,n,0). This generates the ultimate sparse matrix, an m-by-n all zero matrix. - Matlab help on 'sparse'
GGTharos Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 That's a much bigger aperture than a missile seeker you know. And it does make a difference :P [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
RvEYoda Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 That's a much bigger aperture than a missile seeker you know. And it does make a difference :P yes my point exactly. With this sized equipment and the lesser G-strains on the system, you can make it's efficiency much better. S = SPARSE(m,n) abbreviates SPARSE([],[],[],m,n,0). This generates the ultimate sparse matrix, an m-by-n all zero matrix. - Matlab help on 'sparse'
nscode Posted April 12, 2008 Author Posted April 12, 2008 Wow. When you were talking about that, I imagined some thing sticking out of the door of a C172 :D This is impressive :) And look how it's painted in a nice non-reflective color around it, just like on the MiG-29. Always wondered why that isn't the case on Su-27 :huh: Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
59th_LeFty Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 As I remember, it does not make any sense... Our migs were re-painted too, and the nose is now closer to white, than black :) The black nose will not make your day... [sIGPIC]http://www.forum.lockon.ru/signaturepics/sigpic5279_1.gif[/sIGPIC] I could shot down a Kitchen :smartass:
nscode Posted April 13, 2008 Author Posted April 13, 2008 Yes, and then your MiGs had problems with the EOS and the nose is now being repainted to a darker and less reflective color. :) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
ED Team Groove Posted April 17, 2008 ED Team Posted April 17, 2008 Wrong missile; the one you're thinking of (And Yefim got wrong) is the R-74, with the M-80ME seeker IIRC. Off-bore unconfirmed but it may well be a CCD seeker with 90 deg off-bore. I wish I could find out who the seeker manufacturer is. Seeker manufacturer is Arsenal design bureau. http://www.kbarsenal.ru Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 Oh boy, launch range in front hemisphere 40KM. So the seeker can actually lock the target at 40KM range in front hemisphere. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Frostie Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 The R-73m2 has a range of 40km too, I should imagine this is not possible without some initial guidance from the aircraft, in a similair fashion to the asraam. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
GGTharos Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 It's just kinematic range when launched high and fast ... it means nothing about the seeker's ability to lock on. So if the plane is closer than the min-range, 0.3km, the seeker can't see it? ;) That's the kind of logic that was used for the max range here. Additionally, we know that R-27ET despite having a huge range, can certainly not lock on at a truly significant portion of that range to its target. Same deal. The one exception is an unusualy hot/bright target. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Boneski Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 LOL:doh: My mission is to fly, fight, and win. o-:|:-o What I do is sometimes get a tin of soup, heat it up, poach an egg in it, serve that with a pork pie sausage roll.
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