Russian fighter over Georgia?

[GGTharos]

Of course we are talking about a flanker. There's a tail-boom in the picture you have quoted. Observe the fact that the lower vertical stab is obscuring one nacelle, and the boom is sticking out right along it. A Mig-29 would have a very long, straight space between the tails.

[Vekkinho]

Is this the first official kill by Su-27?!

[RvETito]

OT but I think they have some kills in Ethiopia-Eritrea war.

[GGTharos]

There's also a 'half-kill' against a P-3C.

[Pilotasso]

Is this the first official kill by Su-27?!

 

No, it saw combat in Ethiopia VS Eritrea war. It scored at least 3 Mig-29's with no losses.

[Vekkinho]

There's also a 'half-kill' against a P-3C.

 

Yeah, mid air collision incident!

[Pilotasso]

there was no "half kill". The P-3 made it safely to base, with a damaged prop and punctured skin. The Orion is very durable and a tough plane to bring down. Anyone remenber the US-china P-3 incident?

 

That P-3 split a chinese J-8 fighter in half, without nose and 2 of its engines it still could fly to the closest airbase...it was chinese so the plane was deactivated by the crew before it was captured.

[AlexHunter]

Ethiopia VS Eritrea war:

 

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_189.shtml

[Vekkinho]

there was no "half kill". The P-3 made it safely to base, with a damaged prop and punctured skin. The Orion is very durable and a tough plane to bring down. Anyone remenber the US-china P-3 incident?

 

That P-3 split a chinese J-8 fighter in half, without nose and 2 of its engines it still could fly to the closest airbase...it was chinese so the plane was deactivated by the crew before it was captured.

 

Now wait a minute, aren't we talking norwegian Orion that collided with Su-27 (Red 36) piloted by V.Cymbal on September 13th, 1989?!

 

Both planes were lost IIRC!

[Vekkinho]

Thanks AlexHunter!

[GGTharos]

Neither was lost, both sufferered damage.

 

Now wait a minute, aren't we talking norwegian Orion that collided with Su-27 (Red 36) piloted by V.Cymbal on September 13th, 1989?!

 

Both planes were lost IIRC!

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Most probably:

 

http://www.elbitsystems.com/lobmainpage.asp?id=161

Thanks Groove. It make sense, because Elbit worked with Tbilisi Aerospace Center on Su-25KM - Scorpion project.

[Maximus_G]

raw footage from the UAV plus the known Georgian officer

 

http://www.police.ge/_downloads/upilotoeng.wmv

 

I'm sorry, but that's just usual low-res quality. Is there a high-res one on the web?

[nscode]

Yeah, mid air collision incident!

 

Or was it a taran ;)

[Vekkinho]

^^^^^^

Could have been, however official statement was Mid Air during poor visibility (in the cloud).

[JaNk0]

OT ?:P

[Vekkinho]

Perhaps OT but we're talking Su-27 kills and the plane in question seems to be Su-27.

[GGTharos]

Thanks Saint, I didn't realize it was a disputed incident!

 

This is just one of possible pretendents.

All we known about this is the Su-27 was shoot down and pilot was killed by unknowns after ejecting and landing near plane crash place. No shooter side (abkhazian, georgian) and no used weapon known sure. I don't think that was SA-2, more look like MANPAD or 23mm AAA.

[Vekkinho]

Russian comment on this topic:

http://www.kommersant.com/p-12426/Video_drone_forgery/

[Святой]

No, it saw combat in Ethiopia VS Eritrea war. It scored at least 3 Mig-29's with no losses.

Very very doubtfull information. I don't believe that. No confirmed air-to-air victories during Ethiopia VS Eritrea war. No confirmed MiG-29 losses. More, according the information from the informed peoples there was no MiG-29 losses and only one MiG-29 was damaged by S-125 missile.

I don't think that russian and ukrainian pilots wants to shoot to each other.

[p_o_d_2_2]

What’s more, the air-to-air missile left the white trace that is common to the ground-to-air missiles, which aren’t used for such targets.

-http://www.kommersant.com/p-12426/Video_drone_forgery/

 

Is that true? Most of the videos on youtube show AAMs leaving some kind of contrail.

[GGTharos]

No, it isn't really true in the sense that one contrail can look like another, and saying 'it looked like a SAM' means little.

[X-man]

Contrails are dictated by temperature, air pressure, humidity...They can look abit diffrent depending on these factors (not very diffrent, but to some degree.)...

[Vekkinho]

IMO Video-drone-forgery explanation is BS!

 

No way you can recognize a missile by the type of contrail! If that was possible this would probably be SA-2.

 

MiG-29 has smokey engines so Russian missiles can be pretty same in that matter! But again I can't say for sure as I never saw a Russian IR misslie coming at me IRL!

[SilverOne]

well i'm still lookin for an explanation to that wing tip launch. :music_whistling: