Another UAV shot over Abkhazia!

[Vekkinho]

This time carrying A2A missile:

http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/24504

 

video:

http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/24504/video

[Pilotasso]

since when Georgians have the capability to arm UAVs with missiles?

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Well, how many more UAV’s before Saakashvili figures out it is not working? He needs to try something else. How about talking to Abkhazans.

 

UAV can be seen far, far away. In recent military use in Europe we saw UAV’s been shoot down in environment of 100 to 1 advantage. So, in my view, it is plain silly for Saakashvili to fly UAV’s in Abkhazia.

 

BTW, I seriously doubt this UAV carried any A-A missiles.

 

Also, the Abkhaz officer claims the SAM was used to shot the UAV down. What SAM system I wonder?

[GGTharos]

I don't see what the '100 to 1' advantage has to do with anything here.

You can shoot down a low-flying UAV no matter how many aircraft are in the air.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

I don't see what the '100 to 1' advantage has to do with anything here.

Detection.

[nscode]

And it also has something to do with some of those 100 other aircraft having SEAD on their mind ;)

 

BTW, I seriously doubt this UAV carried any A-A missiles.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWUR3sgKUV8

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWUR3sgKUV8

Saakashvili does not have Predators.

 

49 second of the video shows Predator going down. Was that arround Novi Sad?

[nscode]

Yes, but the concept is there :)

 

I've never noticed that the part of that video is footage from Serbia, and I've actually been searching for that for a long time :D But I don't know where exactly that is from. There was a UAV shoot down around Novi Sad. I didn't see it, but I remember hearing AAA that day while there was no air raid warning.. we later heard that they were shooting at an UAV, but I don't know the type. However, I think that this footage is from somewhere else. Numerous drones were shot down in '99. A few Predators and lots of others (some parts are at the aviation museum).

[Vekkinho]

since when Georgians have the capability to arm UAVs with missiles?

 

Ever since Georgia bought Hermes type UAVs from Elbit systems Israel during cooperation on Scorpion Su-25 upgrade in late '90s.

 

UAV that was shot by "Russian fighter" few weeks ago was Hermes, it's clearly visible landing gear from that video does all the talking. So if one takes a closer look to Hermes UAV you'll also be able to recognize pylons on it's wings:

 

[Pilotasso]

I see pylons alright, none of them taking missiles, just fixed sensors.

[59th_LeFty]

It takes a few hours to mount an A2A weapon on it. It only needs some electronics, the rest is in the missile :)

[Weta43]

Georgia pulls out of air-defence treaty with Russia

 

Things are ratcheting up..

 

http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/24292

 

 

It takes a few hours to mount an A2A weapon on it. It only needs some electronics, the rest is in the missile

 

only ... some electronics :-)

 

Which is pretty much all that separates an Me 262 from am F-15

 

You're probably right - a day to modify the pylon.. & six months to add systems to support it.

[Vekkinho]

^^^^

I'm not really sure what you mean by that!

 

Adding the IR missile to UAV takes few beers in a nice sunny afternoon. We (Croatia) used to mount Stingers to An-2 during the war in Croatia (1991-1995) and we scored a kill against Yugoslav Gazelle over Vinkovci in 1993.

 

 

Here's the picture of that particular AC, now repainted, serving as a Crop duster / air tractor in Cepin near Osijek. Back in 90s it was designated 9A-007!

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That is a bit easier since the Stinger has it's own launcher, and the An-2 doesn't notice it in terms of weight.

 

However, what I think LeFty was trying to say is that it takes a few hours to install the already made electronic modules, not to develop and integrate it ;)

[EvilBivol-1]

Abkhazia claims two more drones were shot down today, bringing the total claimed number to seven.

 

http://www3.cw56.com/news/articles/world/BO78270/

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-05-04-voa21.cfm

 

There's a video on the Russian Zvezda military news channel:

http://www.zvezdanews.ru/nocomments/2008/05/12/v-nebe-nad-abhaziey-

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

2:20 in the video, they are talking about the UAV type, something "450"?

[nscode]

He says "Germez 450".. Russians use G in place of H.... gydro = hydro, Germez = Hermes

[Ender]

hello! there was rumors that placing any ir-guided missile on a plane, or a helicopter requires 3 lines(and maybe power): seeker cooler(may be activated several times, as it takes pressured nitrogen or co2 in a missile), target lock (that buzzer, wich is heared when the target is locked by the seeker), and launch button wire. i think, l-39 already have all of them. anyway, it is a military training plane.

i wonder what gruzia does? there are documents subscripted by all sides, says that there is no military flights over abkhazia.

[edward1976]

Ha! Real "Hermes-450" :)

 

http://forum.sukhoi.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=85449&d=1210262485

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Georgia condemns Russian actions

 

Interesting footage, I wonder why the UAV did not zoom any closer?

[Groove]

You can see that the camera zoom is already on maximum.

[RvETito]

Ha! Real "Hermes-450" :)

 

http://forum.sukhoi.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=85449&d=1210262485

 

This is a Guardian rejiment russian MiG-29S. I'm confused a bit...

[tflash]

From a Lockon perspective, a *very* interesting series of events. The Hermes 450 is a state-of-the art small UAV that has top-notch EO-sensors on board; most versions have LOS controls, which limit quite susbtantially their reach, but advanced versions have satellite datalink. Anyway I do not think the Israeli's are happy this technology has fallen into Russian hands.

 

I also seem to have read one UAV was shot down by a BUK system? If UAV's cannot operate safely above Abghazia, you can have doubts if they will be able to continue safe operation over Lebanon or Afghanistan in the future?

 

I guess Russia is sending a strong message to the West, no?

[nscode]

Got hands on it? If they wanted it, they could just buy it (if not from Israel, then from someone else). Why would they need it in peaces..

[tflash]

OK, most of the technology is not new or not something Russia cannot make itself, but the EO-sensors are quite state-of-the-art. But as you said: they can most probably just buy it.