R27ET Data link

[IvanK]

I am a relative noob to Lock on.

 

I see reference to this "data linking R27ET" in many posts. The inference that this missile is unrealistic and a monster in Lock On.

 

In the testing I have done I don't get an LA cue until well inside Rmax ranges of the SARH R27ER. My take on this is that this is a function of IR thresholds. i.e the ET can now actually "see" the target and is inside the kinematic envelope so the LA cue is displayed.

 

Now the Data linking term people use I presume refers to people using Launch Override to get the ET on its way. Then somehow it magically gets a hit even though at the time of launch the seeker couldn't "see" the target. To do this it would seem that some sort of mid course guidance is needed until the seeker head can "see" the target.

 

Am I on the right drift here ?

 

If so it would then imply that to get the magical ET shot away at these ranges you would need a radar lock therefore trigging the targets RWR ?

 

To the best of my knowledge both the R27ET and R73 both need to see the IR source to guide. In both cases Tone is supplied to the pilot to indicate that the seeker can see the target. In Lock On I only get seeker tone ion Boresight (Longitudinal) mode.

[GGTharos]

Not quite. The ET is 'maddogged' like you would maddog an AMRAAM, only it's only I think the only missile to receive an initial intercept course doing so. It flies on until its seeker detects something and the rest is history.

 

This is pretty unrealistic, but that's how things are. Back in LO 1.00, the ET used to have a datalink indeed, and was treated as a BVR missile.

[Pilotasso]

It still does :D

[IvanK]

If I try a "Maddog" R27ET the thing goes Ballistic.

[Shaman]

Think of ET like World War torpedo :) Aim with your entire plane (make a good lead of the target), override and launch.

If the enemy assumes (and most players do) that you are doing this, pretty much a single flare and change of flightpath will trash your ET, so keep these ETs for better shots since you can carry only two.

[Pilotasso]

^^^^I dont advise this. Takes the fun out of the game, when one does it, everybody will feel compeled to do the same. Basicaly it removes you out of the sky unrealisticaly and without any warning. The game becomes an aereal mine spam fest.

[Excelsior]

^^^^I dont advise this. Takes the fun out of the game, when one does it, everybody will feel compeled to do the same. Basicaly it removes you out of the sky unrealisticaly and without any warning. The game becomes an aereal mine spam fest.

 

+1 QFT

 

One of the reasons why I don't fly regularly online any more.

 

When I do I make sure to take the T version or ER's. Even when you make legitimate "in parameters" shots with the ET, you'll be called a spammer because of it's reputation.

[GGTharos]

You're called a spammer just for flying an F-15 :D

[S77th-konkussion]

I've never had much luck mad-dogging an ET. Of course- I expect that the target is reacting in an effort to minimize a hit, too.

 

I find myself waiting for an LA more often than not. If I look to be killed first- I'll try to resist the urge to fire it, and go defensive if I can help it. Sometimes you just do it anyway out of panic. The ET's are too useful to waste in this manner.

[Frostie]

You're called a spammer just for flying an F-15 :D

Amongst many other things:Dj/k

[Boberro]

I use ET only in defence or I know I am on lost position. When I know enemy on 99% shoot me down I fire ET with maddog or not to kill him too :D

[IvanK]

I think for me I will stick with the R27ET "LA" cue or tone.

[wed]

Real R-27ET(T) has no data link. It must be locked on before launch.

[goro]

Real R-27ET(T) has no data link. It must be locked on before launch.

And that realistic procedure will be soon as new rules for all RAF sever users.

[Mustang]

And that realistic procedure will be soon as new rules for all RAF sever users.

 

Good on you guys! BTW, how would you implement that rule effectively?

[USSR_Rik]

Post factum :) - no another way for now.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Post factum :) - no another way for now.

This will be very difficult to do. Lock distance depends on target aspect, relative altitude and throttle setting level. Are you planning to analyze every ET or T launch for these parameters? Unless you can somehow be in the cockpit of every airplane at the time of launch?

[Mustang]

This will be very difficult to do. Lock distance depends on target aspect, relative altitude and throttle setting level. Are you planning to analyze every ET or T launch for these parameters? Unless you can somehow be in the cockpit of every airplane at the time of launch?

 

I believe every mission the RAF server runs is recorded automatically with Tacview, as shown http://80.250.162.148/logfiles/ that would be one way of weeding out offenders, but still it will be tricky.

[GGTharos]

It's tricky because it has to be done by a person ... unless they make you eject for using LA-override ;D

 

But the analysis itself isn't hard. All you have to do is check if there's constant LOS angle witht he intended target. If not - it's a maddog.

[goro]

Raf server save each mission to tacview track.

Tacview is good utilite for anyone analyse ,maddog lauched ET missile have a specific flight trajectory.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

But the analysis itself isn't hard. All you have to do is check if there's constant LOS angle witht he intended target. If not - it's a maddog.

Distance, throttle setting, relative altitude and aspect angle does not matter? Lock range is different for targets flying above then the targets flying flying below and against the ground. What is the LOS (line of sight) angle for ET missiles?

[GGTharos]

Proportional navigation tries to freeze the LOS angle to target. You can see this in tacview from the missile's perspective.

[Pilotasso]

Raf server save each mission to tacview track.

Tacview is good utilite for anyone analyse ,maddog lauched ET missile have a specific flight trajectory.

 

You could also make a script? But be carefull, make sure the condition maddog and target hit are met before marking someone as maddoger. I hapen to launch missiles acciedentaly or sometimes LA condition disapear in midflight and the misile hapens to reaquire.

 

good move.

[X-man]

As Pilotasso implied, sometimes it might look like a missile is maddoged when it's not.

 

F.e. If a bandit is flying towards you at full AB, you can get a lock (or tone in mode 6) with the EOS at 20-25km. If then the bandits then cuts his throttle, the missile might loose the lock and fly straight, and then re-aquaire and kill the bandit.

[monotwix]

What's up with maddog missile launching, is it inappropriate in any way?