investigating 1) Spitfire repair cycle (F8->F3) can be repeated in perpetuity while getting new 170 sec cyles. 2) Damage visually fixed but remains underneath

[-0303-]

Happened twice now, first in Aerobatics server (see link below) and now in Hoggit server. I decided it's not a fluke, it's a bug.

1) It repairs visually but damage remains

2) Repair cycle can be repeated in perpetuity. Can do F8-->F3 "repair" any number of times and get a new 170 sec cycle.

 

First time tail wheel didn't repair. Link to old "is this a bug?" post.

This time, again repair visually but main gears refused to retract no matter how many times I repaired.

 

Track file is multiple flights, hour long and larger than 5 MB, so skipping.

 

Taking a guess, it's something to do with new  damage model. It's probably not gear related (because two different gear problems) or even Spitfire specific.

Someone else must have seen this?

 

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DCS 2.5.6.58125 Open Beta

 

Intel Core i7 3630QM @ 2.40GHz (Max Turbo Frequency 3.40 GHz)

16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz

2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 635M

447GB KINGSTON SA400S37480G (SATA-2 (SSD))

 

[-0303-]

Turns out, easy to reproduce offline. See track, five consecutive 170 sec repair cycles on the same spot.

Note, need to crash Spitfire hard, a simple nose-over break prop doesn't seem to induce the perpetual repair cycle. Air start, slammed into runway, repaired five times.

 

Need to stress again, damage remains after any number of repair cycles, even if it doesn't show on the outside. Don't know which, if any, damage remains in this specific track. But the perpetual 170 sec repair cycle is a bug in itself. But I did see, as reported in post above, twice having repaired online multiple times and still had damage. I assume what triggers the perpetual repair cycle is some remaining damage in this specific track also.

 

Did due diligence (ensuring clean install): Did DCS "Repair DCS World Open Beta" from Win 10 menu, renamed Saved Games "DCS.openbeta" folder (forcing new folder creation).

 

DCS 2.5.6.58125 Open Beta

Intel Core i7 3630QM @ 2.40GHz (Max Turbo Frequency 3.40 GHz)

16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz

2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 635M

447GB KINGSTON SA400S37480G (SATA-2 (SSD))

 

Spit_repair.trk dcs_logs.zip

Edited December 3, 2020 by -0303-

[BIGNEWY]

 

 

22 hours ago, -0303- said:

1) It repairs visually but damage remains

2) Repair cycle can be repeated in perpetuity. Can do F8-->F3 "repair" any number of times and get a new 170 sec cycle.

Hi, 

 

1. It looks like repair is working, how are you determining that the damage has remained? I don't see any visual indication or other indication of damage remaining, can you show me in a video what you are seeing? maybe I am overlooking something. 

 

2. if you request a repair you will get one, this is not a bug. 

 

thank you

 

 

[-0303-]

2. if you request a repair you will get one, this is not a bug. 

 

No, you don't, you never have and you shouldn't get a repair cycle without damage. Played two years, it works like this: You have damage and asking for repair you'll get one (1) 170 sec repair cycle. If you ask for it again, nothing happens. Implied logic I figured, you have no damage, nothing to repair, you'll get no second 170 sec repair cycle. To verify my anecdotal experience I cold spawned every plane I have (fresh spawn has no damage). Surprised the three P-51 variants gets a single (once) 170 repair cycle. No cold spawn repair cycle on any other plane (A-10A, Spit IX, Spit IX CW, SU-25, SU-25T, SU-27, SU-33, Bf109-K4, F-15C, F-86F, I-16, J-11A, MiG-29A, MiG-29G, MiG-29A). That's how it should work IMO. You shouldn't get a false indication of damage when you have none and having to wait 3 mins.

 

I downgraded to 2.5.5.41962 just to test. Only tested the P-51 variants and the Spitfire. P-51 still gets a single cycle. I guess they always had this anomaly. Cold spawn Spitfire IX doesn't get 170 sec repair without damage. I'll get back to the 2.5.5.41962 version Spitfire below.

DCS_updater.exe update 2.5.5.41962@openbeta

 

1. It looks like repair is working, how are you determining that the damage has remained? I don't see any visual indication or other indication of damage remaining, can you show me in a video what you are seeing? maybe I am overlooking something. 

 

I said that there may not be damage in this specific track (the multiplayer tracks are longish and unsuitable to submit). Also said it doesn't show visually.  But it did happen twice in online multiplayer. 1) Tail-wheel damage. Repaired multiple times, first looks visually fine and then tail wheel sinks into the ground. 2) Second MP experience, gears didn't retract. Took off, landed, repaired multiple times. Again, after repair, plane looks visually fine, but gears didn't retract after take off.

I assumed there was (might be) damage in my short submitted track above because I kept getting 170 sec repair cycles when asking for it, which you don't get without damage.

 

Back to my 2.5.5.41962 version downgrade. In old 2.5.5.41962 I deliberately crashed the Spitfire IX a dozen times (lost count) in a very similar manner as the crash in supplied track (track was unusable in old version) trying to recreate behavior. Not once did I get the unlimited-170-sec-repairs-on-asking-for-it appear again. Had to try multiple times because, as mentioned in post above, behavior does not appear in a simple stand-on-brakes-nose-over-break-prop damage.

 

The get unlimited-170-sec-repairs-on-asking-for-it is new behavior, indicating either new repair behavior or old repair behavior getting triggered because everything doesn't get repaired. I thought that was indication enough to submit a track. I can keep crashing offline hoping to recreate something unambiguous. In the track I submitted above, one wing looses ammunition (verified by taking control & firing guns), but that isn't strictly "damage" I figure. As indicated by debrief screen:

 

Edited December 5, 2020 by -0303-

[-0303-]

Mea Culpa.

 

Seems I was wrong about not getting eternal 170 repair cycles. It just happened offline with the Bf109. I don't know what that means. I fly the Bf109 very little. I fly Spitfire and P-51 (a lot) and of those two anecdotally I can't remember ever getting an eternal repair cycle.

 

I don't have the energy to downgrade yet again to see if this is new behavior of Bf109. Not yet anyway.

 

Doesn't mean the repair malfunction I reported isn't real but I must submit a track where it actually exists.

 

Edited December 6, 2020 by -0303-

[BIGNEWY]

I have asked the team if anything has changed with repair, as soon as I find out anything I will let you know, thanks 

[-0303-]

Perpetual repair cycle happened today. Just for record. Still happening.

Every time punched F8 -> F3 repair got new 170 sec repair cycle.

No idea how to recreate. Aerobatics Caucasus Online Server. After hop Senaki -> Kobuleti.

[grafspee]

@NineLine Sine i play DCS, when my plane is not damaged even after prolonged flight, when i ask for repairs i don't get time for repair, this was always final test, when i was testing engine management in warbirds.

 

[NineLine]

On 5/27/2021 at 2:14 AM, grafspee said:

@NineLine Sine i play DCS, when my plane is not damaged even after prolonged flight, when i ask for repairs i don't get time for repair, this was always final test, when i was testing engine management in warbirds.

 

SO you are saying you are not getting repairs even after long flights, but you expect the wear and tear from the flight to be reset/repaired, just so I am clear on your request?

[grafspee]

6 hours ago, NineLine said:

SO you are saying you are not getting repairs even after long flights, but you expect the wear and tear from the flight to be reset/repaired, just so I am clear on your request?

No, I'm saying that when i ask for repairs and my plane is not damaged i don't get timer. For me this is test for, did i get any damage or not.

You said that if you request repair you will get one, its not true if your plane is just fine you will not get repair cycle timer.

Edited July 23, 2021 by grafspee