Su-35 seems on track ...

[tflash]

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/BRIDGE07078.xml

[Vekkinho]

Good for Russian VVS!

 

72 aircraft! Wow! I saw this bird live and sat in it's cockpit at MAKS 2007 airshow, plane was there on static display and that particular airframe was assembled few days before Airshow began! Unfortunatelly I wasn't allowed to take pics of Su-35's cockpit and but check some of the external photos I took:

 

 

 

They're also mentioning PAK-FA in that article as Russian 5th gen fighter option, hope to see that happen!

 

More info on PAK FA can be seen here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAK_FA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f10M0NOOTnY

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/pak-fa.htm

 

Thanks TFlash!

[RedTiger]

Now all they need to do is ditch that yellow/brown/green color scheme and go back to the blue ones. I swear that the design bureas in Russia think that camo scheme = marketing gimmic.

 

I wonder if they'll ever ditch those camo schemes and glossy paint jobs. Nuthin says "Russian" to an American more than colorful camo schemes and big fuselage numbers. :D I personally think that they're beautiful, but I wonder about their real effectiveness, especially the ones that aren't earth tones. I understand those, probably comes from the old Soviet Frontal Aviation days.

Edited July 8, 2008 by RedTiger

[GGTharos]

They're high visibility demonstration schemes actually, just made to look like they're real camo. That's my story and I'm sticking to it ;)

[RvETito]

The cockpit:

 

 

F-22 and F/A-18E style airbrakes:

 

 

Other pics:

 

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2008/07/07/5508#more-5508

 

The plane is still lacking EOS, perhaps waiting for new one. There are also some gauges in the pit that are very likely to be just for test flight purposes.

Edited July 8, 2008 by =RvE=Tito

[Vekkinho]

They're high visibility demonstration schemes actually, just made to look like they're real camo. That's my story and I'm sticking to it ;)

 

Exactly, but I guess the real airworthy camo after years of practice gets a bit less glossy and colorful!

 

I said this airframe was assembled a day or two before MAKS '07 opening so you can't expect weathering on a 2 day old paintjob!

 

I wonder how those Pilot.Strizhi guys smuggled a camera in Su-35! I wasn't allowed!

 

EOS that's supposed to be fitted aboard Su-35 is the very same as the one you get if you buy a MiG-35. We had a topic on this new EOS, IIRC! Gimme a sec to look for it!

 

Looks like this MiG-29K (#941) got a new paintjob too:

 

It was blue when I shot it at MAKS 2007:

 

Edited July 8, 2008 by Vekkinho

[RvETito]

To remind you that MiG-35 has two EOS's on board- on front of the canopy and under the right engine nacelle, both serve for totaly diferent purposes.

[X-man]

I stand corrected :) Earlier this year I was saying that they probably wouldnt buy it, since they're waiting for PAK-FA. I guess I was wrong! :D Congrats RuAF :thumbup:

The plane is still lacking EOS, perhaps waiting for new one.

Are you sure? I read it's using the new OLS, same one as used on the MiG-35. Which uses optical and IR.

Edited July 8, 2008 by X-man

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Novator K-100 will be the Su-35 main AA missile. I wonder what is the status of that program?

[Esac_mirmidon]

Uhh, Vekinho, i also was in MAKC 2007 in front of this superb Su-35 ¡¡¡.

 

Here are some pics taked by me.

 

And sorry but your front pic of the nose of this Su is not the Su-35 is the Su-27SK, ( i get inside that Su XDDDD )

 

The Su-27 SK has a pitot tube, the nose of the Su-35 dont have a pitot tube. The Su-35 nose has more sensors around it.

 

 

The last is me XDDD

Edited July 8, 2008 by Esac_mirmidon

[Vekkinho]

OK, here you can take a look and read on new EOS:

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/04/06/3103

 

Although, I'm getting an Error 404 when trying to DL a vid!

[Pilotasso]

Novator K-100 will be the Su-35 main AA missile. I wonder what is the status of that program?

 

errr.... your confusing things. This missile is/will be/would be an anti awacs missile, using an anti radiation seeker. Therefore the main AA missile will be either the R-27 series or whatever russia develops to replace the R-77.

[Vekkinho]

To remind you that MiG-35 has two EOS's on board- on front of the canopy and under the right engine nacelle, both serve for totaly diferent purposes.

 

Yeah, I was reffering to the upper EOS (nose) used for optical and thermal tracking of airborne targets!

 

There was a huge report on new EOS somewhere at pilot.strizhi but I can't seem to find it ATM!

 

I stand corrected,

And sorry but the front pic of the nose of this Su is not the Su-35 is the Su-27SK

I selected a wrong pic from my Photobucket album!

 

Thanks Esac! Are U saying U managed to photograph instruments in the Su-35 cockpit?!! Can U post some pics?!

Edited July 8, 2008 by Vekkinho

[Boberro]

Knowing Russian progress of army modernize there will be next age before Russia will develope K-100. :D

[Esac_mirmidon]

Sorry but i only managed to get inside the Su-27SK and the Mig-29 SMT. ( also a little video recorded inside )

 

I have not pics about Su-35 cockpit. Also i could not approach the cockpit, only the sides and rear. The Sukhoi boys were very busy showing the Su to Indian military grades.

[RedTiger]

The cockpit:

 

 

 

Heh, the block on top of the stick is getting bigger and bigger! One day they'll just stick a qwerty keyboard on it and be done with it. Oh well, I'd rather have it on the stick and throttle than in the cockpit. ;)

 

The marketing gimmick, btw, comes from a couple sources I've read that say the design bureaus will often paint a plane with a scheme that might appeal to possible buyers. I assumed that the one on this Su-35 was a desert one, similar to the one on the now-defunct Su-37 demonstrator. So therefore, they're trying to market to the middle east? Take that one FWIW. :) I like the US approach; "Well, it comes in grey". :D

Edited July 8, 2008 by RedTiger

[Vekkinho]

Sorry but i only managed to get inside the Su-27SK and the Mig-29 SMT. ( also a little video recorded inside )

 

I have not pics about Su-35 cockpit. Also i could not approach the cockpit, only the sides and rear. The Sukhoi boys were very busy showing the Su to Indian military grades.

 

 

I visited Zhukovski AB for 3 days in a role (friday, saturday, sunday) during MAKS 2007 but on the first day of my visit Su-35 was pretty occupied with Chinese folks checking things out and I couldn't get close to it.

 

But on the second day I managed to get a closer look and to climb inside the cockpit, I was allowed to take photos but when I tried to bring camera inside the Sukhoi guy standing there, who helped me to buckle up, asked me politely not to use it onboard :(

 

I used Olympus E-500 at MAKS with 14-45mm and 80-300mm lens, unfortunatelly that camera fell in the river hanging 'round my neck last month during fishing accident Well, good friend and I got pretty wasted that day :drunk:as we were celebrating a birth of his son, went fishing, got drunk, started dancing in the boat and fell in the river! :megalol:

 

I still use E-500 as it still works fine, actually nothing really happened to it but Olympus service guys did a fine job cleaning the lens and prism from muddy water smudges! There's been 5 weeks since it got wet, I still see no problems with it, battery capacity isn't reduced, autofocus (which I don't use) is functional, pics are clean, acts like nothing happened! Olympus guys told me it survived amazingly!

 

But I was in Paris 2 weeks ago with my girfriend and I saw this E-510 on total discount! It was a bargain, at first I thought there's something wrong to it but the camera's brand new!!! Thing is, starting with 25th of June there was a total sales in Paris with prices reduced to 70%.

 

Of course...I bought it! It's amazing, camera's pretty good, enough for my needs and I'm happy about it!

Edited July 8, 2008 by Vekkinho

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

errr.... your confusing things. This missile is/will be/would be an anti awacs missile, using an anti radiation seeker. Therefore the main AA missile will be either the R-27 series or whatever russia develops to replace the R-77.

It (will be) is a very long range missile that can be equipped with different seekers, just like K-27.

[mvsgas]

Sorry for the spam:poster_spam: I hope I don't get in trouble

I just read a short, but good article on this aircraft in "Combat Aircraft" magazine by Ian Allan. If you guys see that magazine you should check it out. I think it always have very good aviation articles.

Anyway, I not sure if I understand the whole proses. I guess this is a different SU-35, this one is promoted by the KnAAPO corporation? Again , not sure how it all work but I guess is competing against SU-30MK from the Irkut Corp. I guess it suppose to use the N035 Irbis RADAR new AL-41F1 engine, more fuel 11,500Kg. The magazine talks about the K-100-1 (izdeliye 172S) and I guess is very little info available about the missile and at what stage of testing/designed it is at.

 

You guys think any country will actually by this aircraft? You guys think it is gear more towards export market or both Russian and exports?

Edited July 9, 2008 by mvsgas
just added the link for the magazine I hope is ok and i don't get in trouble

[RedTiger]

Sorry for the spam:poster_spam: I hope I don't get in trouble

I just read a short, but good article on this aircraft in "Combat Aircraft" magazine by Ian Allan. If you guys see that magazine you should check it out. I think it always have very good aviation articles.

Anyway, I not sure if I understand the whole proses. I guess this is a different SU-35, this one is promoted by the KnAAPO corporation? Again , not sure how it all work but I guess is competing against SU-30MK from the Irkut Corp. I guess it suppose to use the N035 Irbis RADAR new AL-41F1 engine, more fuel 11,500Kg. The magazine talks about the K-100-1 (izdeliye 172S) and I guess is very little info available about the missile and at what stage of testing/designed it is at.

 

You guys think any country will actually by this aircraft? You guys think it is gear more towards export market or both Russian and exports?

 

Well, judging from the reports, this one is for domestic use. "Bridging the gap to the PAK FA" doesn't really sound like its meant to be exported. I'm thinking that this one looks like its stuffed with all of Russia's non-export goodies.

[Alfa]

I guess this is a different SU-35..

 

Yes it is a new Su-35 version and different from the initial(early 90'ies) Su-35 prototypes - the most visual difference being the lack of canards, but there are many other including the new Irbis radar you mentioned.

 

...this one is promoted by the KnAAPO corporation?

 

It is built by Knaapo.

 

Again , not sure how it all work but I guess is competing against SU-30MK from the Irkut Corp.

 

Both are Sukhoi products - Irkut and Knaapo are just the production facilities that build them :) .

 

Traditionally(in Soviet times) Knaapo built single-seat Su-27, while Irkut built the Su-27UB twin-seater variant. Since the production numbers for single- versus twin-seat variants were something like 5:1 in favour of the former, the Knaapo plant had by far the largest production capacity.

 

I think the reason why we have seen Knaapo build some twin-seater designs(such as the Su-30MKK for China) has to do with the trend in post-Soviet exports where the twin-seat variants have been the most popular - i.e. Irkut not having the production capacity to meet the demand alone.....IIRC they even struggled a little meeting the delivery times for the Indian Su-30MKI order(although the multinational nature of its system package might have contributed to this as well).

 

You guys think any country will actually by this aircraft? You guys think it is gear more towards export market or both Russian and exports?

 

Another difference between the initial Su-35 variant and the new one is that this time around Russia has expressed its intention to buy it as an interim solution until the fifth gen "PAK-FA" is ready :) - in fact there is much to indicate that this new Su-35 design was "tailored" for the purpose - i.e. domestic requirements. But then again I doubt Russia would refuse to export it if a foreign customer shows interest.

[Vekkinho]

But then again I doubt Russia would refuse to export it if a foreign customer shows interest.

 

Sure why not! But like Red Tiger said probably some downgraded versions with weaker radars and nuclear weapons capacity left out!

 

Just like MiG-29A and B!

[Alfa]

I kind of doubt that export customers in this day and age would accept anything but the "full spec deal" :) .

 

If anything it seems to be more the other way around - i.e. that the requirements of export customers push the development of new technology.

 

Take the Su-30MKK for example - for this they developed an upgrade kit for the N001 radar(N001VE), which later found its way into the upgraded Su-27SM for the Russian airforce :) .

 

Or the Su-30MKI - Russia itself has no Su-27 variant in its current arsenal that comes even close to that tech level.....including the N011M PESA radar, which IIRC was developed specifically for that order(or at least facilitated that it became operational).

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

I just read a short, but good article on this aircraft in "Combat Aircraft" magazine by Ian Allan.

That is where I learned about K-172S missile.

[mikoyan]

when I saw the su-35 I was a bit dissappointed, because I was expecting aerondinamic improvements like for exaple the mig-35

The mig 35 has new wings, the elevons are bigger;but the su-35 seems to have minor changes. I was especting full span slats and bigger elevons and ailerons, I gues the original concept doesn't need some mayor modificatios after all.

Edited July 10, 2008 by mikoyan