Question WIP F-16 cockpit photos by Wags

[Feuerfalke]

I am not a pilot, Feuerfalke :) I just get to ride in the back of these things every now and again.

 

That's more experience from sitting inside an F-16s than most of us have. If it doesn't make you a pilot, it still makes me jealous. :P

[mvsgas]

Mvgas

 

Interesting comments about the displays being linked in front and back on the Block 50/52.

 

I've flown in the back of the Block 30, Block 40 and Block 50. The Block 50 (at Spangdahlem in 2005) was the only one in which I could set my displays independently of the front seat.

Do you remember what tail number? Maybe CCIP change that them. Cool man thanks.

 

There you go Feuerfalke, like I said, I'm not the best source of info for the F-16, I just work on them.

I must confess I'm confused.

 

You mentioned F-16.net as a good site and the picture I pieced together for month of digging through there was giving me the idea that the displays work independently on modern F-16s.

Why are you confuse? Can you give some links on the picture, obviously I need to learn that to. Just remember, not all units are the same and F-16 gets constantly updated. Maybe they had a software upgrade and what I said is irrelevant now. I have been in units where half the jets where a different configuration due to changing airframes (block 30 to 40) or because updates (falcon up, falcon star etc) My point is F-16 changes very quickly, I guess I miss some thing while I was working other airframes. Like I said before, I can only talk about my experiences on the jet, that does not make me and expert. I never seen the pilots control the MFD/CMFD independently, but clearly other people have. I do believe F-16.net is a good source. Many people I work with post there.

Edited July 19, 2008 by mvsgas

[Steve Davies]

Mvgas

 

It was tail #90-843 I flew at Spang, and while they were going through CCIP at the time, this jet had yet to be modded.

 

Are you a RoKAF Block 52 fixer, or a USAF Viper fixer? I wonder whether or not that might explain the difference in what you and I have both seen?

 

Feuerfalke

 

I know that I am very lucky indeed!

[Feuerfalke]

mvsgas, I think you added a great deal of information and insight to the discussion. I don't know how valuable that is for the simulation or not, but it is to me.

 

~S!~

 

 

If I am confused, it's rather that the talk with another F16-fan turned out to be a fan talking to a F16-techie clearing up some misunderstandings about the D-Versions over 4 pages, just to now turn back to page 2 and the start of the D-discussion. :D

 

 

Mvgas

Are you a RoKAF Block 52 fixer, or a USAF Viper fixer? I wonder whether or not that might explain the difference in what you and I have both seen?

 

That was my idea, too, but IIRC mvsgas stated the above for USAF F-16CJ.

Edited July 19, 2008 by Feuerfalke

[mvsgas]

I'm in the USAF, I was off the jet for several years working F-117 and I forgot/miss more than I thought. So many thing can change in a couple of years. All this mods and updates. I guess I'm still trying to catch up.

Edited July 19, 2008 by mvsgas
I need to lear how to speel haa I'm awefull

[Kosmo]

Hi guys, first of all Feuerfalke, by blk 50D you obviously mean F-16D50 which is not the CJ (C model block 50/52), but the D model block 50 (the two seater). B and D are the two seater models of the A and C respectively, and there is no real meaning in modelling either one in DCS since they are not missionized in most countries that use them. The two seaters are used for training, the F-16 has a reduced workload and is a one man aircraft. AFAIK the only missionized F-16 D's are Israel's Sufas. The HAF D52+ is a trainer since somebody asked I think.

 

Also in the picture you posted taken from the back seat, in the upper part of the reflection is definately the DED. If you watch it's position in the cockpit, the display's colour and the information's layout (if you are familiar with the F-16's DED - or just flip it and compare it to the rear DED barely visible in the pic), there's no mistaking it, while in the lower part of the reflection you can clearly see the front right MFD being on the same page as in the rear cockpit.

 

Finally, the backup ADI is indeed not working. As you can see it displays straight and level flight while the attitude bars in the radar display (left MFD) show a left bank, and you can also see the red warning flag in the instrument, meaning it's not working. It's most probably just caged as mvsgas already pointed out. All the other instruments seem to be working fine.

 

BTW mvsgas, the right eyebrow light you were missing is the Canopy light :p

Edited July 22, 2008 by Kosmo

[warthogmadman987]

Damn. I most the stuff on here I can understand and grasp well, but every time we come up to the F-16 and different air to air radar modes, I begin to feel really stupid.:helpsmilie: I need to sit down some lonely and cold night and google this junk. :smartass:

[SUBS17]

MLU tapes 1 and 2 have some good info also the Dash34 for OF is another good one to look at.:thumbup:

[SUBS17]

Hi guys, first of all Feuerfalke, by blk 50D you obviously mean F-16D50 which is not the CJ (C model block 50/52), but the D model block 50 (the two seater). B and D are the two seater models of the A and C respectively, and there is no real meaning in modelling either one in DCS since they are not missionized in most countries that use them. The two seaters are used for training, the F-16 has a reduced workload and is a one man aircraft. AFAIK the only missionized F-16 D's are Israel's Sufas. The HAF D52+ is a trainer since somebody asked I think.

 

 

I think having both 2 seater and 1 seater versions modeled is the way to go as you can use it for trainning online. The other thing is by having both versions makes it complete.

[Feuerfalke]

Hi guys, first of all Feuerfalke, by blk 50D you obviously mean F-16D50 which is not the CJ (C model block 50/52), but the D model block 50 (the two seater).

 

No the list I got that from was linked from F-16.net and it listed an F-16C Block 50 (d).

 

Accordingly I didn't say an F-16D is the same as a CJ. (infact I explained the difference between a CJ and blocks, summing up informations from various sites. A single private site is never trust-worthy IMHO.)

 

The discussion evovled over 7 sites. I don't envy you to dig through it all to see what was said in detail. :D

 

:smilewink:

 

@SUBS17

 

Yes, that would be great. I don't know if it would be worth the effort, but as with the upcoming StormOfWar: Battle Of Britain, a trainer offers the chance to not buy your friends copies, but also to help them start digging their way into this genre.

Edited July 22, 2008 by Feuerfalke

[SUBS17]

Yeah take a look at FSX accelerations Hornet which is a single seater has an awesome pit but when someone makes a 2 seat Hornet you can't use the 3d pit from the acceleration hornet to help make a backseat 3d pit. (as the pit cannot be modified) And also I'm sure after Topgun 2 there will be plenty of more pilot noobs getting into sims.

[Kosmo]

I think having both 2 seater and 1 seater versions modeled is the way to go as you can use it for trainning online. The other thing is by having both versions makes it complete.

 

Well ofc, if they decide to model both it will be great, but I don't think they will. So If they model just one it's logical it will be the single seater, that's what I meant.

 

No the list I got that from was linked from F-16.net and it listed an F-16C Block 50 (d).

 

Accordingly I didn't say an F-16D is the same as a CJ. (infact I explained the difference between a CJ and blocks, summing up informations from various sites. A single private site is never trust-worthy IMHO.)

 

The discussion evovled over 7 sites. I don't envy you to dig through it all to see what was said in detail. :D

 

And did it say what an F16C50 (d) is? Can you post a link to it?

 

Maybe I read through the whole thread too quickly, the discussion was evolving around the CJ designation and I saw you mention a 50D. So I thought you meant the D model, my bad :)

[Feuerfalke]

Wish I could. I navigated to that site from f-16.net and copy'n'pasted the information.

 

I didn't make a bookmark, though, and I don't know where I found that link (it was on another PC and while working - shhhh) :(

[Cougar12dk]

Yeah take a look at FSX accelerations Hornet which is a single seater has an awesome pit but when someone makes a 2 seat Hornet you can't use the 3d pit from the acceleration hornet to help make a backseat 3d pit. (as the pit cannot be modified) And also I'm sure after Topgun 2 there will be plenty of more pilot noobs getting into sims.

 

ARE there actual plans a sequel? I've searched the net for the title a few times a loong while ago, but didn't find anything.

 

If you have any information regarding a sequel, please share :pilotfly:

[empeck]

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/21072008/5/cruise-reprise-top-gun-role-0.html

 

;)

[Yellonet]

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/21072008/5/cruise-reprise-top-gun-role-0.html

 

;)

:doh:

[SUBS17]

ARE there actual plans a sequel? I've searched the net for the title a few times a loong while ago, but didn't find anything.

 

If you have any information regarding a sequel, please share :pilotfly:

 

It was on the news yesterday on TV they mentioned Tom Cruise wants to make a sequel.

[mvsgas]

No the list I got that from was linked from F-16.net and it listed an F-16C Block 50 (d).

I do not know why some web sites define different block by letter. I know if you look at specific tail number in F-16.net data base you can see each block define by a letter (example 2113 is mark as a blk40G) I have no idea where they get this designations. Maybe is a Lockheed Martin designation to differentiate the batches and has nothing to do with the avionic or the upgrade ,just when that F-16 was made( I'm taking a guess here guys, I do not know where they get the information to say a the 40(G) or 50(D) or what ever designation). I know I have never heard of those designation exempt in web sites.

Edited July 23, 2008 by mvsgas

[ThunderChief]

"Not all F-16s within a given block are the same. They fall into a number of block subsets called miniblocks. These sub-block sets are denoted by capital letters following the block number (Block 15S, for example). Miniblock designations originate for production purposes."

 

source: http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/1997/articles/jul_97/july4a_97.html

[SUBS17]

I wonder if there is any chance that the F-16 addon could have IFF? Even a basic IFF system would be cool and also ingame coms with VHF and UHF channels.

[mvsgas]

I just saw this in F-16.net forums. At the end of this video you can see the Flight control panel I was originally referring to. I figure I post it so you guys can see it. You can also see how little the control stick moves for full flight control deflection.

[SUBS17]

1/4 of an inch, I gotta get me a real simulator mod.:thumbup:

[mvsgas]

Subs17, I don't know man, it is hard to fly the jet with that little movement, for me anyway.

When I flew the simulator, I kept over correcting and I kept rolling left and right to about 30 degrees of bank, I was just trying to fly straight :D Also, because there is so little movement, it is easy to input a roll while pulling the stick. I guess it is like every thing else, practice makes perfect.

[SUBS17]

Yeah I'm looking at the realsimulator mod for my cougar it would certainly be ideal for next generation F-16 sims.:thumbup: Might get it after I've installed a set of Hall sensors.

[TraxusIV]

Cool, whatever we get I'll be glad to finally fly a Lawndart in Lock On (or more preciselly DCS).

 

Name that DCS module correctly! Let me try!

 

DCS:Falcon5.0!

 

In the Army, "Lawn Dart" refers to the Blackhawk, due to an early defect that caused them to occasionally pitch the nose down hard, leading to several fatal crashes..

Edited January 20, 2014 by TraxusIV