FLIR display quality

[Shimmergloom667]

Just now, shagrat said:

By the way, another big factor is the environmental conditions. That's currently not modeled,but a huge influence on the real life images/Video.

 

Absolutely! Given that the 2.7 weather engine is still being worked on as well I hope that the FLIR and weather improvements in tandem will lead to an awesome rendition of optical systems where you actually have to struggle sometimes. And I am not talking about lack of contrast on the CCD circuit below clouds or stuff

[Enduro14]

2 minutes ago, shagrat said:

By the way, another big factor is the environmental conditions. That's currently not modeled,but a huge influence on the real life images/Video.

Yup exactly this

[=Mac=]

1967, Rolling Thunder, Hanoi steel plant attack. While not a pod, just consider the magnification details.

[shagrat]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb Shimmergloom667:

 

It does depend on a lot of factors. But our ingame rendition suffers no quality loss at all. Literally none, as of yet. While we may disagree on the details, I kinda can't believe that doesnt strike you as odd.

Au contraire, it does suffer especially on the FLIR video. Simply switch from CCD to FLIR on the A-10C's Litening II. The resolution difference on the ATFLIR vs Litening is definitely modeled. What we don't have is blooming/background noise (ground being hot/cold) that influences how "sharp"/detailed the picture is, in real life.

[shagrat]

vor 18 Minuten schrieb Shimmergloom667:

 

It does depend on a lot of factors. But our ingame rendition suffers no quality loss at all. Literally none, as of yet. While we may disagree on the details, I kinda can't believe that doesnt strike you as odd.

CCD is too "clean" at larger distance, FLIR is more dependent on the environment temperatures. The thing is we need more/better temperature representation.

[Shimmergloom667]

16 minutes ago, shagrat said:

Au contraire, it does suffer especially on the FLIR video. Simply switch from CCD to FLIR on the A-10C's Litening II. The resolution difference on the ATFLIR vs Litening is definitely modeled. What we don't have is blooming/background noise (ground being hot/cold) that influences how "sharp"/detailed the picture is, in real life.

 

Didn't fly the A-10 in ages, so I'm certainly just giving you the benefit of doubt here. Let me rephrase it: in the totality of the TGP modeling the ingame rendition is overperforming since a lot of factors are not modeled (deeply enough), a lot of which have been mentioned in this thread.

Again I will say: I hope the weather and FLIR reworks will improve on all of that.

[Harlikwin]

16 minutes ago, shagrat said:

CCD is too "clean" at larger distance, FLIR is more dependent on the environment temperatures. The thing is we need more/better temperature representation.

 

FLIR is absolutely degraded by humidity/moisture in the air, one of the major issues with it in a great many applications. Like you can see some great videos from "deserts" but it will look totally different in a humid costal environment. And yes, thermal contrast is a major issue as well and it varies quite a bit during the day. In general FLIR is used at night since thats when you tend to have good thermal contrast conditions. None of this is currently modeled in DCS.

 

And while only 1 paramater in the system, it is a limiting one in terms of resolution. The FLIR sensor plates

 

Litening II 320x256

Litening ER 640x512

ATFLIR 640x512

Litening G4 (raz) 1024x1024eye

 

Of course you also have the effect of the optics which also varies between pods, and then advances in image processing. 

 

Edited September 29, 2021 by Harlikwin

[shagrat]

vor einer Stunde schrieb Harlikwin:

 

FLIR is absolutely degraded by humidity/moisture in the air, one of the major issues with it in a great many applications. Like you can see some great videos from "deserts" but it will look totally different in a humid costal environment. And yes, thermal contrast is a major issue as well and it varies quite a bit during the day. In general FLIR is used at night since thats when you tend to have good thermal contrast conditions. None of this is currently modeled in DCS.

 

And while only 1 paramater in the system, it is a limiting one in terms of resolution. The FLIR sensor plates

 

Litening II 320x256

Litening ER 640x512

ATFLIR 640x512

Litening G4 (raz) 1024x1024eye

 

Of course you also have the effect of the optics which also varies between pods, and then advances in image processing. 

 

 

^this

[VDV]

I think we dont have Litening G4 in the game at this moment.

[Harlikwin]

1 hour ago, VDV said:

I think we dont have Litening G4 in the game at this moment.

 

We do. At least the symbology. 

[Harker]

I think we dont have Litening G4 in the game at this moment.

We do, in the Harrier. Well, it's the G4 only by name, a lot of the options aren't implemented, they don't do anything.

[Harlikwin]

22 minutes ago, Harker said:

We do, in the Harrier. Well, it's the G4 only by name, a lot of the options aren't implemented, they don't do anything.

 

I want SWIR as part of the flir model, but I doubt we get it. Hell, I'll be happy if the model MWIR vs LWIR. 

Edited September 29, 2021 by Harlikwin