Help choosing a new GPU

[westr]

Hi as title suggests. Think my 1080 ti 11gb is holding me back. Since the new clouds and maps I’m starting to struggle to get the performance in vr whilst maintaining what I consider acceptable levels of visual quality. 
I don’t want to spend a £1000 on a new graphics card. So just wanted to know from peoples experience what card I can get that will give me an improvement but not cost me £1000. 
RTX 2080 ti is coming in at £1000. 
There’ are alternatives that are cheaper but just want to know if they would give me a performance step? 
Advice and experience is welcome. 
 

Im using HP reverb G1 

Ryzen 7 3700x overclocked to 4.3ghz 

32gb ddr4 ram at 3200 ghz 

Edited December 3, 2021 by westr

[speed-of-heat]

You already have a quite high power card, and i used to run a 1080ti with a G1, albeit lots of compromises ... part of the problem right now is card availability and insane pricing ... a 3070 is basically a performance upgrade in place... a 3080 would give you a meaningful performance upgrade as would a 2080Ti... but finding those cards at MSRP is frankly just hard ... 

[westr]

37 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

You already have a quite high power card, and i used to run a 1080ti with a G1, albeit lots of compromises ... part of the problem right now is card availability and insane pricing ... a 3070 is basically a performance upgrade in place... a 3080 would give you a meaningful performance upgrade as would a 2080Ti... but finding those cards at MSRP is frankly just hard ... 

ok, so looking even 3070s are fetching over £900 I See.
part of me is thinking will the Vulkan implementation bring acceptable performance gain to make it worth waiting. But this still could be a way off. 

[speed-of-heat]

yep, or waiting for the silly prices for gfx cards to end

[westr]

So looking at this situation now. And being reluctant pay pay £1000 on a gpu. I’m considering selling some stuff of mine I have an old Ryzen 7 2700x cpu I currently use a Ryzen 7 3700x and an X470 main board. i also have an old oculus headset. If I sell all this I wouldn’t need to put much more together to get myself a Ryzen 5900x and compatible board. 
Im hoping I would see a marked improvement in VR performance with a step forward in processor performance.   

[speed-of-heat]

well if you are cpu bound then you might... otherwise you wont

[DerekSpeare]

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

[RED]

On 10/26/2021 at 10:30 PM, westr said:

So looking at this situation now. And being reluctant pay pay £1000 on a gpu. I’m considering selling some stuff of mine I have an old Ryzen 7 2700x cpu I currently use a Ryzen 7 3700x and an X470 main board. i also have an old oculus headset. If I sell all this I wouldn’t need to put much more together to get myself a Ryzen 5900x and compatible board. 
Im hoping I would see a marked improvement in VR performance with a step forward in processor performance.   

Do you use the CPU for work or why do you want to pay so much for the CPU? Also look into AMD GPUs. How much is a 6800 for you? It will be faster than 3070 TI in DCS

[westr]

32 minutes ago, RED said:

Do you use the CPU for work or why do you want to pay so much for the CPU? Also look into AMD GPUs. How much is a 6800 for you? It will be faster than 3070 TI in DCS

I can get a Ryzen 9 5900x for £490 

a 6800 gpu is £680 which is the cheapest I’ve found. So £200 more but if I found noticeable improvement it’s something I would consider but I read such conflicting reports some saying It wouldn’t be worth me changing a 1080ti, would like to know what would give me more of a performance boost for VR. Jumping to a 5900x cpu or buying say a Rx 6800 gpu 

[RED]

12 hours ago, westr said:

I can get a Ryzen 9 5900x for £490 

a 6800 gpu is £680 which is the cheapest I’ve found. So £200 more but if I found noticeable improvement it’s something I would consider but I read such conflicting reports some saying It wouldn’t be worth me changing a 1080ti, would like to know what would give me more of a performance boost for VR. Jumping to a 5900x cpu or buying say a Rx 6800 gpu 

Your 3700X should do fine. Check your frame times with the fpsVR. GPU should be higher. You don't need a 5900X for DCS. A 5600X will be no different. Looking at representative 3DMark benchmark shows the 6800 roughly 1.5x the performance of a 1080TI. So a noticeable performance increase for you.

[westr]

6800 I found was out of stock thought it was to good to be true. So cheapest 6800 is actually £1000. 
guess I’ll keep looking and waiting found a 3060 ti for £700 but looking at the chart doesn’t really seem like a step forward enough to warrant the change. Thanks for the advice about the cpu btw. A 5600X can be picked up for a fairly cheap price. 

[westr]

Hi everyone, without wanting to sound like a broken record, i just need some individual advice with this, but specifically regarding two particular cards in VR because spending a thousand pounds is a lot of money. So thankyou so much Derekspeare for your link its been handy getting a comparison for specific cards. What i have decided is that for it to be worth my while going from a 1080ti I want to look at least at a 2080ti or a 3070ti both are close in terms of performance according to the benchmark table provided by Derekspeare. Both similar in price. Does anybody have specific experience with these two cards in DCS with VR. I just want to run dcs VR at a steady 45fps but maintain decent graphical quality. So as an example I have run two instant action missions 1st F14 takeoff in Caucasus, F14 is one of the worst performers in VR, so with VR preset settings apart from MSAA x2 because i cant stand the jagged edges, and PD at 1.0 Steam VR PD at 100% I get 35fps at takeoff, turning left over terrain objects buildings it drops to about 30fps. Second instant action mission P-51 map free flight, channel map I have hardly used since purchasing because i cant get it to run right, 30fps dropping to 25fps flying over buildings and really starts to stutter. For me to maintain anything like 45fps i have to lower Steam VR PD to about 80% and dcs PD at 0.8.. So going by DCS players advice which of these two cards will give me the better performance for VR.  And do you think they will get me to anywhere near the levels i am after. Advice is really appreciated from someone with either of these cards and which would be the best bet.

And regarding optimisation I have eeked everything I can from my PC CPU is overclocked to 4.4ghz, gone with thuds VR guide and have set all my NVIDIA settings as advised etc  

PC Ryzen 7 3700x OC to 4.4ghz

GTX 1080ti

3200 DDR4 RAM 32GB

HP REVERB G1

Edited December 3, 2021 by westr

[Mr_sukebe]

My suggestion is to wait.

I bagged a 3080ti FE a month ago.  It’s very roughly twice as fast as my old 2070S, which was very roughly in the same ballpark for performance as your 1080ti.

in between is the 3070ti, which I’m guessing would give you maybe a 50% frame rate improvement, but would have less VRAM.  If you can grab  3070ti FE, then an upgrade to your card would be relatively cheap, as 1080tis are still selling sh for good money.

[edmuss]

Subscribe to telegram channel FE Partsalert, that will send you a notification when the UK FE cards come back into stock at scan. I paid 470 for my 3070 last week

Be quick though, you have literally less than minutes to get a card once the notification comes in. I think stock is coming in roughly monthly at the moment.

[westr]

saw a 6800 become available for just over 1000 pounds at overclockers.co.uk so have gone for it I shall keep my fingers crossed it lives up to expectations 

Hopefully having 16gb of video memory will help with VR

Edited December 13, 2021 by westr

[westr]

performance gain was minimal compared to the 1080ti so i sent it back, pondering whether to try with a 3070ti. 

Edited December 16, 2021 by westr

[edmuss]

You just missed a stock drop of 3080ti and 3090 for 1049 and 1399 respectively. All gone now, watch the telegram alerts and you might find the 70s are listed tomorrow perhaps?

edit: about the time you were typing the reply above, they were still in stock! Hung around for quite a while, obviously the more expensive halo cards are not going to sell quite so readily.

Edited December 16, 2021 by edmuss

[westr]

So after much deliberation I decided to order a custom build PC, the price of video cards atm means its more feasible for me to buy a custom build and sell the parts of my old computer. Its the first time I have not built my own PC, but I've gone with specs that should be as suited to DCS VR as possible.

CAS: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black Mid-Tower Dual Chamber Gaming Chassis
CPU: Intel(R) Core™ i9-11900K - 8-Core 3.50GHz, 5.10GHz Turbo - 16MB Cache + UHD Graphics, Ultimate OC Compatible
EXPAN: Built-in USB Ports
FAN: MSI Coreliquid 240R 240mm RGB Liquid Cooler, Extreme OC Compatible
M2SSD: 1TB (1xTB) Intel 670P M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD - 3500MB/s Read & 2500MB/s Write (Single Drive)
MEMORY: 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4/3200mhz Dual Channel Memory [+176] (Kingston Fury Beast w/Heat Spreader)
MOTHERBOARD: MSI Z590 Plus: ATX w/ USB 3.2, 2x M.2
NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT -- As standard on all PCs
OS: Windows 11 Home 64-bit Edition (No Recovery Media)
OVERCLOCK: Extreme OC (Overclock up to 20%) [+39]
POWERSUPPLY: MSI MPG A850GF 850W 80+ Gold Modular Gaming Power Supply
RUSH: Standard Processing Time
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD AUDIO
USB1: Built-in USB Ports [+0]
VIDEO: MSI GeForce(R) RTX 3080 10GB LHR - Ray Tracing Technology, DX12(R), VR Ready, HDMI, DP - 4 MIN. Monitor Support (Single Card)
WARRANTY: DESKTOP STANDARD WARRANTY: 5 Years' Labour, 2 Years' Parts, 6 Months' Collect and Return plus Life-Time Technical Support
WNC: Intel Wireless AX200 Wi-Fi 6 802.11ax Dual Band (2.4 GHz & 5GHz (160Mhz)) PCI-E Adapter & Dual Antennas