DDR5 someone ?

[BitMaster]

This is just going crazy:

Scalpers and shortage, the two things you need to inflate prices but more interesting is the actual shortage of parts needed to build the module.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/scalpers-ddr5-ram-ebay-2500-dollars

[nikita_nomad]

I gave up hopes on a new gpu upgrade. Instead I'll be looking at second hand deals if I can get a hold of one. Any advice on what to look out for with old cards? Maybe spesific benchmark advice?

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[Bossco82]

HI Nikita,

Buying a used GPU. First look at the advert, check for signs of a scam, obviously. After that, look at the advert, the way it is written and the photographs. If the seller has put some effort into that. They probably put effort into looking after the GPU. Buy boxed with paperwork too. I sold a 2080ti in June this year. The buyer asked for a video to be taken of the GPU running showing it on the monitor, I made a simple video on my phone, job done. I had no problem with this because I knew the GPU I was selling had no problems. So dont be afraid to ask for evidence its working. If you get sent evidence check the date on the PC its running on in photo's/videos. Also get them to ship using a known 24hr courier with tracking. This way you reduce the chances of it damaged in transit. I'm in the UK and use DPD or UPS if I sell my computer parts on eBay and similar.

If you receive a used GPU. Before installation, check the heatsink for excess dust and the copper traces on the PCIE connector. When installed have a good look and check the fans spin up. When in Windows test with a game you know well. Its also useful to go to websites that have reviews like "Techpowerup" and similar. See what the framerates are for the games they used to test the exact GPU you bought. If you own one of those games see how it compares. It wont be exactly the same because your CPU and Dram could be different, but it should be similar. 

For example I use Battlefield 5 as my benchmark as its often on GPU reviews. If my system is within 5-10% and I have no artefacts or errors at all. Give it a good 30 minutes minimum running flat out, IE no V-sync. Then your all good.

[zildac]

Kingston memory shop (www.kingstonmemoryshop.co.uk) alleges to have DDR5 it can deliver in "est 14 days"....never used them so not a recommendation, just an observation.

[nikita_nomad]

HI Nikita,
Buying a used GPU. First look at the advert, check for signs of a scam, obviously. After that, look at the advert, the way it is written and the photographs. If the seller has put some effort into that. They probably put effort into looking after the GPU. Buy boxed with paperwork too. I sold a 2080ti in June this year. The buyer asked for a video to be taken of the GPU running showing it on the monitor, I made a simple video on my phone, job done. I had no problem with this because I knew the GPU I was selling had no problems. So dont be afraid to ask for evidence its working. If you get sent evidence check the date on the PC its running on in photo's/videos. Also get them to ship using a known 24hr courier with tracking. This way you reduce the chances of it damaged in transit. I'm in the UK and use DPD or UPS if I sell my computer parts on eBay and similar.
If you receive a used GPU. Before installation, check the heatsink for excess dust and the copper traces on the PCIE connector. When installed have a good look and check the fans spin up. When in Windows test with a game you know well. Its also useful to go to websites that have reviews like "Techpowerup" and similar. See what the framerates are for the games they used to test the exact GPU you bought. If you own one of those games see how it compares. It wont be exactly the same because your CPU and Dram could be different, but it should be similar. 
For example I use Battlefield 5 as my benchmark as its often on GPU reviews. If my system is within 5-10% and I have no artefacts or errors at all. Give it a good 30 minutes minimum running flat out, IE no V-sync. Then your all good.

Cheers man, would you also recommend any benchmark?

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[nikita_nomad]

Also, do you think cex is OK to get a gpu from?

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[Bossco82]

Sorry mate, I have never bought from CEX, I tend to shop on eBay for used stuff, then sell whatever I have replaced. As for a benchmark, I dont use those either. I just pick a more graphically demanding game, such as Battlefield 5 for an example. Set everything to ultra, turn V-sync off and see what fps gets produced. I then compare that to the result on a review site and if its close enough. I'm happy, in the last 10 years I only bought a new GPU "due to the shortages" once so its not failed so far.

[Lange_666]

Benchmark: DDR5 5200 vs DDR4 3600

 

[nikita_nomad]

Got it, thanks for your input anyway

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[BitMaster]

On 11/25/2021 at 4:54 PM, Lange_666 said:

Benchmark: DDR5 5200 vs DDR4 3600

 

Which tells me, stick with DDR4 for now until better days.

 

 

[Aluminum Donkey]

On 11/24/2021 at 2:18 AM, BitMaster said:

This is just going crazy:

Scalpers and shortage, the two things you need to inflate prices but more interesting is the actual shortage of parts needed to build the module.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/scalpers-ddr5-ram-ebay-2500-dollars

This is a TERRIBLE time to buy computer hardware, especially just for gaming. The new CPUs and motherboards look decently priced, but graphics cards and DDR5 prices are beyond insane.

My trusty old GTX 1080 Ti just crapped out a couple months ago, so I'm not flying any DCS for a VERY long time now--possibly many years, if at all. Big waste of money for the software, but I certainly am not in a position to drop $2,000 just for a graphics card!

Just use your old hardware, the new stuff is ridiculously expensive for what this stuff is--it's just consumer products for entertainment.

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[VpR81]

Yes. Managed to grab a 32GB kit G.Skill Trident Z5 DDR5-6000 Cl-36 for 470€. Not realy cheap, but compared to the price of a DDR4-4000+ kit (and those scalper prices on ebay) i guess it's okay. Not to talk about the same kit was 590€ just one day later...

Edited December 3, 2021 by VpR81

[Csgo GE oh yeah]

G.skill seems only one sofar that is sending some higher speed sticks every now and then. 
470 seems insane but not even that bad in this market. 

[VpR81]

470 is insane for just a 32GB kit RAM, but when i decided to go with DDR5 i was totally aware of the fact, that it's going to be expensive. My 6800K served me pretty good for the last 5 years, but i was desperate for an upgrade now. Will sell this kit and upgrade to 64GB once the prices are more consumer friendly...

[Csgo GE oh yeah]

Slowly but surely they are becoming available it seems. Very small numbers though :(((( 
For Europe, keep an eye on the french webshop "LDLC" they have by far the best stream of sticks about every weeks new small supply. 

Edited December 10, 2021 by Csgo GE oh yeah

[bflo]

Ok, with my limited knowledge in pc hardware, is DDR 5 better than DDR4, just on performance ( not  price) for flight sims?

[BitMaster]

6 minutes ago, bflo said:

Ok, with my limited knowledge in pc hardware, is DDR 5 better than DDR4, just on performance ( not  price) for flight sims?

Short answer: Not yet, but as time goes by and faster DDR5 modules arrives at a cheaper price, yes, then it will be better.