brettt777 Posted November 29, 2021 Posted November 29, 2021 I did a couple of simple simulations tonight. Just a Hornet with a couple AIM-9's and four AGM-65F's. My targets were a TU-95 and a Russian Corvette. I had my A/A radar in RWS and I was close behind the Bear, but I could not see him on radar. I had my elevation looking straight ahead and range at 20. But I could not see him on radar. I got within a couple miles and I could see him, but still nothing on radar. I had tried this with a MiG-21 earlier and had the same problem so I thought I'd try a larger aircraft, but got the same results with the Bear. What am I doing wrong? Should I not be able to see an aircraft as large as a TU-95 in RWS? AMD Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4.4ghz, 64gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, GeForce RTX-3060ti 8GB DDR6, Three KTC 32" QHD monitors @ 165hz, Rosewill 80plus Bronze 1000w, Corsair Hydro H100i, 2tb M.2 SSD for OS, Two 3tb HDD, 2tb SSD for DCS, P3D, Star Citizen, Sound Blaster Zx, Thermaltake Overseer RX-I, Winwing Orion 2 HOTAS F-15EX throttle and F-16EX stick, Winwing 3 MFD MIP with FA-18 UFC and F-16 ICP, TrackIR 5, Surround Speakers & Subwoofer, Oculus Quest 2 VR. :joystick::pilotfly:
brettt777 Posted November 29, 2021 Author Posted November 29, 2021 I was trying some simple encounters tonight. Just a Hornet with A/A weapons going against a MiG-21. As I stated in another post, I could not get the other aircraft to show up on my radar, so I kept losing his position. I saw that he was trying to get on my six so I started turning. Well, somehow that MiG-21, which has next to nothing for a wing and is 50 years old... and I had the AI set to rookie, was not only keeping up with my turns, but actually got behind me and shot me down twice. Now, I'm not fighter ace by any stretch of the imagination. But I do know there is no way on God's green Earth that a MiG-21 is going to out turn an FA-18. That is never gonna happen. But it did tonight. I was anywhere from 300 to 500 kts, pulling sustained 6 G's and higher. And this MiG still caught me. I think the AI might need a bit of tweeking. AMD Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4.4ghz, 64gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, GeForce RTX-3060ti 8GB DDR6, Three KTC 32" QHD monitors @ 165hz, Rosewill 80plus Bronze 1000w, Corsair Hydro H100i, 2tb M.2 SSD for OS, Two 3tb HDD, 2tb SSD for DCS, P3D, Star Citizen, Sound Blaster Zx, Thermaltake Overseer RX-I, Winwing Orion 2 HOTAS F-15EX throttle and F-16EX stick, Winwing 3 MFD MIP with FA-18 UFC and F-16 ICP, TrackIR 5, Surround Speakers & Subwoofer, Oculus Quest 2 VR. :joystick::pilotfly:
Recluse Posted November 29, 2021 Posted November 29, 2021 Check your PRF and elevation. Since you were so close, I am betting on elevation being the issue. If you are THAT close transition to AACQ mode. This is a pretty good tutorial for BVR radar usage, RWS and TWS 1
falcon_120 Posted November 29, 2021 Posted November 29, 2021 2 hours ago, brettt777 said: I did a couple of simple simulations tonight. Just a Hornet with a couple AIM-9's and four AGM-65F's. My targets were a TU-95 and a Russian Corvette. I had my A/A radar in RWS and I was close behind the Bear, but I could not see him on radar. I had my elevation looking straight ahead and range at 20. But I could not see him on radar. I got within a couple miles and I could see him, but still nothing on radar. I had tried this with a MiG-21 earlier and had the same problem so I thought I'd try a larger aircraft, but got the same results with the Bear. What am I doing wrong? Should I not be able to see an aircraft as large as a TU-95 in RWS? Track please, so we can check. Most probably it is that the elevation was not managed properly. Also consider that if you are flying at roughly the very same speed, you might not see him on radar due to the main lobe filter that discard targets without closing or receding speeds used to avoid the ground clutter. 2
Hulkbust44 Posted November 29, 2021 Posted November 29, 2021 Track or tacview? Hornet corner speed is 360kts, 450+ I would definitely see the MIG outturning you. 1
brettt777 Posted November 29, 2021 Author Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Hulkbust44 said: Track or tacview? Hornet corner speed is 360kts, 450+ I would definitely see the MIG outturning you. It was a MiG-21. No way that is gonna out turn a Hornet. MiG-29, maybe. MiG-21... no way. Besides, in the first encounter I was around 300-350 kts. I know the MiG-21 is a bit faster than the Hornet in a straight line, but it most certainly can't out turn it. Back in the day it couldn't hardly keep up with an F-4. Edited November 29, 2021 by brettt777 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4.4ghz, 64gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, GeForce RTX-3060ti 8GB DDR6, Three KTC 32" QHD monitors @ 165hz, Rosewill 80plus Bronze 1000w, Corsair Hydro H100i, 2tb M.2 SSD for OS, Two 3tb HDD, 2tb SSD for DCS, P3D, Star Citizen, Sound Blaster Zx, Thermaltake Overseer RX-I, Winwing Orion 2 HOTAS F-15EX throttle and F-16EX stick, Winwing 3 MFD MIP with FA-18 UFC and F-16 ICP, TrackIR 5, Surround Speakers & Subwoofer, Oculus Quest 2 VR. :joystick::pilotfly:
brettt777 Posted November 29, 2021 Author Posted November 29, 2021 5 hours ago, Recluse said: Check your PRF and elevation. Since you were so close, I am betting on elevation being the issue. If you are THAT close transition to AACQ mode. This is a pretty good tutorial for BVR radar usage, RWS and TWS Well, I mean, I ended up close to the Bear but I started out from 40 to 80 miles away. And I was slewing my elevation up and down trying to find him. Mostly I had it straight ahead cuz according to the map I was at about the same elevation. Maybe the PRF, but I'm kind of doubting that cause after I gave up on the Bear, I got a Russian Corvette at about 60 miles in SEA mode and went after him with AGM-65'S... which I couldn't get to work either but that's a whole other story. Anyway, I picked up the Corvette at 60 miles with no adjustment (other than going to A/G). AMD Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4.4ghz, 64gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, GeForce RTX-3060ti 8GB DDR6, Three KTC 32" QHD monitors @ 165hz, Rosewill 80plus Bronze 1000w, Corsair Hydro H100i, 2tb M.2 SSD for OS, Two 3tb HDD, 2tb SSD for DCS, P3D, Star Citizen, Sound Blaster Zx, Thermaltake Overseer RX-I, Winwing Orion 2 HOTAS F-15EX throttle and F-16EX stick, Winwing 3 MFD MIP with FA-18 UFC and F-16 ICP, TrackIR 5, Surround Speakers & Subwoofer, Oculus Quest 2 VR. :joystick::pilotfly:
rob10 Posted November 30, 2021 Posted November 30, 2021 5 hours ago, brettt777 said: Maybe the PRF, but I'm kind of doubting that cause after I gave up on the Bear, I got a Russian Corvette at about 60 miles in SEA mode and went after him with AGM-65'S... which I couldn't get to work either but that's a whole other story. Anyway, I picked up the Corvette at 60 miles with no adjustment (other than going to A/G). Maybe because there are no changeable PRF modes in the A-G you could pick up a ground target without changing anything?
brettt777 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Posted November 30, 2021 16 hours ago, rob10 said: Maybe because there are no changeable PRF modes in the A-G you could pick up a ground target without changing anything? I dunno. When I get a minute I'll look at that radar video. Maybe I'm missing something. Thing is, I've been an avionics tech both military and civilian for most of the last four decades. I know how a radar works. That being said, the only experience I have with A/A fire control radars is in simulators. AMD Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4.4ghz, 64gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, GeForce RTX-3060ti 8GB DDR6, Three KTC 32" QHD monitors @ 165hz, Rosewill 80plus Bronze 1000w, Corsair Hydro H100i, 2tb M.2 SSD for OS, Two 3tb HDD, 2tb SSD for DCS, P3D, Star Citizen, Sound Blaster Zx, Thermaltake Overseer RX-I, Winwing Orion 2 HOTAS F-15EX throttle and F-16EX stick, Winwing 3 MFD MIP with FA-18 UFC and F-16 ICP, TrackIR 5, Surround Speakers & Subwoofer, Oculus Quest 2 VR. :joystick::pilotfly:
brettt777 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Posted November 30, 2021 22 hours ago, brettt777 said: It was a MiG-21. No way that is gonna out turn a Hornet. MiG-29, maybe. MiG-21... no way. Besides, in the first encounter I was around 300-350 kts. I know the MiG-21 is a bit faster than the Hornet in a straight line, but it most certainly can't out turn it. Back in the day it couldn't hardly keep up with an F-4. Last night I installed an F-22 mod. I watched a video on this mod compared to others and it seemed to be the closest to the real aircraft performance wise. So I go up against that same MiG-21 with it set on rookie and as I suspected, it kept right up with me in my F-22. I'm pulling max G's at varying speeds and it stayed right on my tail. So I swapped aircraft and went up in the MiG-21 myself and of course, if I even tried to pull any kind of serious G's, the thing falls right out of the sky. So yeah, the AI is a bit off. AMD Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4.4ghz, 64gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, GeForce RTX-3060ti 8GB DDR6, Three KTC 32" QHD monitors @ 165hz, Rosewill 80plus Bronze 1000w, Corsair Hydro H100i, 2tb M.2 SSD for OS, Two 3tb HDD, 2tb SSD for DCS, P3D, Star Citizen, Sound Blaster Zx, Thermaltake Overseer RX-I, Winwing Orion 2 HOTAS F-15EX throttle and F-16EX stick, Winwing 3 MFD MIP with FA-18 UFC and F-16 ICP, TrackIR 5, Surround Speakers & Subwoofer, Oculus Quest 2 VR. :joystick::pilotfly:
Recluse Posted November 30, 2021 Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, brettt777 said: I dunno. When I get a minute I'll look at that radar video. Maybe I'm missing something. Thing is, I've been an avionics tech both military and civilian for most of the last four decades. I know how a radar works. That being said, the only experience I have with A/A fire control radars is in simulators. For what it's worth, I setup an F/A-18 (me) and a TU-95 at 70 miles away and I picked him up IMMEDIATELY in RWS, 6 bar scan even with INTL PRF, but I kept dropping him until I went to HIGH PRF also might have been the slow updates on the 6 bar scan which probably wasn't necessary) I was at 10,000 he was at 15,000, but my Radar elevation was scanning a pretty huge volume, Then it was rock solid. He was HOT which makes a difference, but I tracked him all the way in to 40 miles and I went to TWS and locked him up for an AMRAAM shot.
brettt777 Posted December 22, 2021 Author Posted December 22, 2021 On 11/29/2021 at 8:29 AM, Hulkbust44 said: Track or tacview? Hornet corner speed is 360kts, 450+ I would definitely see the MIG outturning you. No. No way. First off, like I said, I varied my speed from 300-500 kts but it didn't matter. And then, I got in my own MiG-21 and went up and tried to do some turning like that. The thing literally fell out of the sky when I tried to make those kind of turns. AMD Ryzen 9 5900X @ 4.4ghz, 64gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, GeForce RTX-3060ti 8GB DDR6, Three KTC 32" QHD monitors @ 165hz, Rosewill 80plus Bronze 1000w, Corsair Hydro H100i, 2tb M.2 SSD for OS, Two 3tb HDD, 2tb SSD for DCS, P3D, Star Citizen, Sound Blaster Zx, Thermaltake Overseer RX-I, Winwing Orion 2 HOTAS F-15EX throttle and F-16EX stick, Winwing 3 MFD MIP with FA-18 UFC and F-16 ICP, TrackIR 5, Surround Speakers & Subwoofer, Oculus Quest 2 VR. :joystick::pilotfly:
Brass2-1 Posted December 25, 2021 Posted December 25, 2021 There are too many factors to just say “Max G”, or even add in an airspeed. Take a recording or track and we’re happy to help. The radar isn’t perfect right now, but what you’re describing is clearly an issue. The Hornet can hold its own in a turning fight with anything in DCS currently, if flown properly. The AI opponents do use a simplified flight model, but are by no means unbeatable.
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