correct as is Landing Off an Airfield

[Rissala]

The off road performance of the F-18/16 is just pure fantasy. These fighters were never intended for any soft field ops. Common sense applies here. No U.S. fighter should be able to go at 300 knots off road, simply because they were not designed for it. (duh) This is a somewhat annoying issue since now it is totally possible to troll people in multiplayer by landing on a mountain for example and taking off behind an enemy
 

Meanwhile the aircraft that did have soft field capabilities (MiG-29, SU-25) are completely useless on soft fields since the steering always breaks and the structure collapses on some random bumps. But that is a topic for another ticket.
 

Hornet off road.trk

[BIGNEWY]

If you take any aircraft in DCS and land it off the detailed terrain area you will find very flat terrain. 

Try it on the detailed area

[NineLine]

To add to this, terrain types are very simple currently in DCS, it is planned to add various types of different terrain that should fix many of these issues, its no easy task and will probably need to wait till we have a little more room, performance wise, to allow all sorts of different conditions. Thanks.

[Rissala]

17 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

If you take any aircraft in DCS and land it off the detailed terrain area you will find very flat terrain. 

Try it on the detailed area

It is the same for any terrain. You can land the Hornet and F-16 on mountains. Do I need to provide a track for that also?

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Rissala

[BIGNEWY]

Just now, Rissala said:

It is the same for any terrain. You can land the Hornet and F-16 on mountains. Do I need to provide a track for that also.

 

make sure you are using the detailed terrain areas, not off the detailed areas. 

And yes, please attach a track replay, 

Please also note ninelines comment above. 

[Rissala]

20 minutes ago, NineLine said:

To add to this, terrain types are very simple currently in DCS, it is planned to add various types of different terrain that should fix many of these issues, its no easy task and will probably need to wait till we have a little more room, performance wise, to allow all sorts of different conditions. Thanks.

Is it completely unrealistic for ED to remove the ability to land anywhere from these 2 fighters? Make it similar to FC3?

Edited December 14, 2021 by Rissala

[Rissala]

1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said:

make sure you are using the detailed terrain areas, not off the detailed areas. 

And yes, please attach a track replay, 

Please also note ninelines comment above. 

Well here is me landing on the tallest peak on caucasus with the Hornet. I do a full landing, stop and then a takeoff. I get that developing new stuff affecting massive amounts of terrain is incredibly slow. But that workload can be avoided if it is possible to just change the way F-18/16 tires interact with the ground.
 

At the very least, can you make it behave like the FC3 where the tires collapse when in contact with terrain for some time?
This would already fix the problem fully and avoid many years of development.

Hornet off road landing on tallest mountain on cauc.trk

For reference, here is a MiG-29A landing on a mountain. (Same for all terrain thb)
The front suspension collapses on a bump and I lose all stability and NWS. This is still better than allowing F-18s to land off road anywhere.
 

Final edit:

I also want to be very clear that I recognise the fact that this is not a priority issue in any way. Quite the opposite. It would however be nice for someone to officially say that this is not intended/realistic behaviour. Thats all.

Edited December 14, 2021 by Rissala

[Vampiresquid]

I reported this here as well.. There are other aircraft which are offroad capable like the SU25 , SU33 and dont know about f14 but viggen as well.. and those aircraft can really not do what the hornet can.. It is really overperforming.. F16 can taxi fine but cannot takeoff or land .. hornet can do anything offroad... And just for info we are blueflag players we get a lot of farps and roadbases to see and test this out..

Edited December 14, 2021 by Vampiresquid

[Swift.]

Perhaps the solution here isnt to potentially artificially snap an aircrafts gear, but rather to FOD the engines.

[Rissala]

Anything to not allow this behaviour would be nice. Be it the FC3 tires approach or this.

[Vampiresquid]

lol