Tango3B Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 Recently, I was discussing the NCTR capability of the APG-68v5 with a few buddies while flying on GS's server and if we will ever see it for the APG-68v5 which we have in game. So, as this feature is currently missing in "our" DCS F-16C I would like to politely ask you ED guys if NCTR is actually planned for the simulated Block version which we have in DCS? Question goes directly to BN, 9L or Matt. Can you please ask the team if this is a feature which is plannend for a future update? Thx in advance. 2
Tango3B Posted January 19, 2022 Author Posted January 19, 2022 @BIGNEWY Any info on this? I understand NCTR is a core feature of the APG-68v5 so I am really curious what the team thinks about that. 1
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 19, 2022 ED Team Posted January 19, 2022 Hi, I will ask the team. 1 3 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Tango3B Posted January 20, 2022 Author Posted January 20, 2022 Perfect, thank you. Again, very curious what the team thinks about that.
SCPanda Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 8:33 PM, Tango3B said: Recently, I was discussing the NCTR capability of the APG-68v5 with a few buddies while flying on GS's server and if we will ever see it for the APG-68v5 which we have in game. So, as this feature is currently missing in "our" DCS F-16C I would like to politely ask you ED guys if NCTR is actually planned for the simulated Block version which we have in DCS? Question goes directly to BN, 9L or Matt. Can you please ask the team if this is a feature which is plannend for a future update? Thx in advance. What is NCTR capability? Can you explain in simple words?
TEOMOOSE Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, SCPanda said: What is NCTR capability? Can you explain in simple words? Non-Cooperative Target Recognition (NCTR). NCTR function allows aircraft type identification under certain parameters. The F-16C should have this. Aircraft related data can be shown on a air to air track when you press the expand button on the fcr page, including air to air PPLI tracks. Edited January 20, 2022 by TEOMOOSE 1 1
Deano87 Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 32 minutes ago, SCPanda said: What is NCTR capability? Can you explain in simple words? NCTR is Non Cooperative Target Recognition, it’s a technology that allows a radar to identify the aircraft it is looking at purely from its radar return, and thus hopefully help add to the IFF picture. It does this by analysing the radar return from the target and comparing that return to a database of returns from known subjects to try and pinpoint what aircraft airframe it is looking at. One of the things it looks for is the number and rpm of the front compressor blades of the engines if it can get a look down the intake of the target. As this can have quite a distinctive radar return. Size, rpm and number of blades on a helicopter main rotor can be identified in a similar way. From what I understand during the period our F-16 was operating this technology was mainly used in support of normal IFF procedure rather then being used as a primary identification tool. This is mainly due to its relative unreliability and sensitivity to factors. That’s just an off the top of my head rundown of it, I’m sure there are people here who could provide more details. Essentially in the sim it would allow you to lock up an aircraft and then it would spit out a reading on what aircraft type it is, say for instance “Su-27”. It’s already functional on the F-18 as far as I know. 2 Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
Tango3B Posted January 20, 2022 Author Posted January 20, 2022 5 hours ago, SCPanda said: What is NCTR capability? Can you explain in simple words? Sorry dude, completely different timezone for me so the ohter guys were apparently first. Ok, so your best answer (in simple words) is what Deano87 said about NCTR. Couldn't have explained it better, myself. And yeah, the F-16C should actually have that system as a core feature of its radar. Also, looking at the benefits of that system I hope you understand why I asked if we will see this system in our F-16, too because it can be tremendously helpful as you can probably imagine. 1
SCPanda Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 17 hours ago, Tango3B said: Sorry dude, completely different timezone for me so the ohter guys were apparently first. Ok, so your best answer (in simple words) is what Deano87 said about NCTR. Couldn't have explained it better, myself. And yeah, the F-16C should actually have that system as a core feature of its radar. Also, looking at the benefits of that system I hope you understand why I asked if we will see this system in our F-16, too because it can be tremendously helpful as you can probably imagine. No worries. I understand it now. Thx for the reply tho.
Tango3B Posted January 26, 2022 Author Posted January 26, 2022 @BIGNEWYSo, it's been a week, BN. Any info from the team on NCTR?
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 26, 2022 ED Team Posted January 26, 2022 I have spoken with the team, we still have some NCTR work on our todo list for the future. thanks 2 4 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Tango3B Posted January 26, 2022 Author Posted January 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: I have spoken with the team, will still have some NCTR work on our todo list for the future. thanks Awesome, thank you BN. So, this means it is actually part of the APG-68v5. This is great news... 1
Tango3B Posted August 8, 2022 Author Posted August 8, 2022 @BIGNEWY Hey, BN. Since quite some time has passed since I first asked if NCTR will be implemented to the DCS APG-68v5 I just want to ask for a heads-up. Is there any timeline on this, actually? This is quite an important feature so it would be really nice to have as the F-16 is getting more and more mature, right? Thanks.
ED Team NineLine Posted August 9, 2022 ED Team Posted August 9, 2022 This is still planned for later. When we have news on it's addition we will share, I don't have anything new at this time though, sorry. 3 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Tango3B Posted August 9, 2022 Author Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, NineLine said: This is still planned for later. When we have news on it's addition we will share, I don't have anything new at this time though, sorry. Ok, thank you. Anyway, nice to hear this item is still on the list.
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