Skuva Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) The only variant I'm really willing to pay extra for (the forbidden one) Edited March 28, 2023 by Skuva 1
Bozon Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 42 minutes ago, Skuva said: The only variant I'm really willing to pay extra for (the forbidden one) The wings are not Deltas! That is heresy! 3 “Mosquitoes fly, but flies don’t Mosquito” :pilotfly: - Geoffrey de Havilland. ... well, he could have said it!
303_Kermit Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Skuva said: The only variant I'm really willing to pay extra for (the forbidden one) Do you want to have plane that explodes mid flight? Or you want it to be WT like modelled? Described parameters are theoretical. All the plane did was to kill her pilot. "At 1:01 p.m., Colonel Korovin radioed that the aircraft was in a spin. 30 seconds later, he called that he was ejecting. The Ye-50/3 crashed near the village of Radovitsy, approximately 100 kilometers (62 miles) southeast of Ramenskoye. The body of Colonel Korovin was located about 150 meters (164 yards) from the crash site, still in his ejection seat. The parachute had not opened, and the test pilot had been killed on impact. The accident investigation found that during the delay to takeoff, the liquid oxidizer accumulated in the combustion chamber. This caught fire as the prototype took off. The rocket engine’s turbopump exploded. The explosion damaged the flight control system and the prototype caught fire. The fire burned away a portion of the airplane’s vertical fin. When it entered a spin, Colonel Korovin was unable to recover. It was found that he had removed his gloves and tried to manually pull the ejection seat parachute release cable, but to no avail." Source: https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/mikoyan-gurevich-ye-503/#:~:text=The Ye-50%2F3 crashed,had been killed on impact. Edited March 28, 2023 by 303_Kermit 1
Skuva Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 15 hours ago, 303_Kermit said: Do you want to have plane that explodes mid flight? Or you want it to be WT like modelled? Described parameters are theoretical. All the plane did was to kill her pilot. "At 1:01 p.m., Colonel Korovin radioed that the aircraft was in a spin. 30 seconds later, he called that he was ejecting. The Ye-50/3 crashed near the village of Radovitsy, approximately 100 kilometers (62 miles) southeast of Ramenskoye. The body of Colonel Korovin was located about 150 meters (164 yards) from the crash site, still in his ejection seat. The parachute had not opened, and the test pilot had been killed on impact. The accident investigation found that during the delay to takeoff, the liquid oxidizer accumulated in the combustion chamber. This caught fire as the prototype took off. The rocket engine’s turbopump exploded. The explosion damaged the flight control system and the prototype caught fire. The fire burned away a portion of the airplane’s vertical fin. When it entered a spin, Colonel Korovin was unable to recover. It was found that he had removed his gloves and tried to manually pull the ejection seat parachute release cable, but to no avail." Source: https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/mikoyan-gurevich-ye-503/#:~:text=The Ye-50%2F3 crashed,had been killed on impact. In today news: "DCS player is capable of identifying an enemy jet fighter at 5 nautical miles, but is unable to spot a joke right in front of his eyes and proceeds to cite the same source the joke came from." 1 2
303_Kermit Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) @Skuva I failed to recognize a joke in Internet after I discovered "Flat Earth Society". Either I'm bit too old, or your joke failed to be funny, or... The topic for jokes is somewhere else? Edited March 29, 2023 by 303_Kermit 1 1
Skuva Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 57 minutes ago, 303_Kermit said: @Skuva I failed to recognize a joke in Internet after I discovered "Flat Earth Society". Either I'm bit too old, or your joke failed to be funny, or... The topic for jokes is somewhere else? I think its because you've been gatekeeping this thread for so long you became susceptible to the whoosh. 1
karapus78 Posted April 25, 2023 Posted April 25, 2023 All in all, we will be waiting for the Mig-21 upgrade for a long time to come. And seeing how rarely anything was done on it, the new modules from this studio I look without optimism. 6
Ala13_ManOWar Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 12 hours ago, karapus78 said: … And seeing how rarely anything was done on it, the new modules from this studio I look without optimism. Funnily enough, I've been seeing constant updates and fixes in changelogs since ever, even recent patches had them. But yes, we all await eagerly for the v2.0 of this module to come since it was actually the very first third party module in DCS back in 2014 and it's dated by now despite the updates received. 3 "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
karapus78 Posted May 2, 2023 Posted May 2, 2023 On 4/26/2023 at 2:43 PM, Ala13_ManOWar said: Funnily enough, I've been seeing constant updates and fixes in changelogs since ever, even recent patches had them. But yes, we all await eagerly for the v2.0 of this module to come since it was actually the very first third party module in DCS back in 2014 and it's dated by now despite the updates received. What you constantly see there is still a big question... The last update on the Mig-21 was with the December 27, 2022 patch. (And that, there were only "Fixed flickering on the lantern windows in rainy weather", "Fixed the 'electrics' of the warning alarm."). No fixes or improvements were made to the Mig-21 in subsequent patches. The same famous misspelled inscription still disfigures the cockpit. And yes, from December 16, 2022 also tried to remove the flicker of the lantern in rainy weather and essentially did not fix it. 3
Ala13_ManOWar Posted May 2, 2023 Posted May 2, 2023 3 hours ago, karapus78 said: What you constantly see there is still a big question... I just read changelogs, those are there . But yes, I'm awaiting for the update either, I really like the module. "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
303_Kermit Posted May 2, 2023 Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Ala13_ManOWar said: I just read changelogs, those are there . But yes, I'm awaiting for the update either, I really like the module. Waiting for MiG-21 face - lift or at least bug fix... Edited May 2, 2023 by 303_Kermit 10
Mig Fulcrum Posted May 14, 2024 Posted May 14, 2024 (edited) Il 4/2/2022 at 08:14, Hiromachi ha scritto: Something like MF, SM or SMT could be and "add on", but different generation 21 should be a separate module. Is it still considerd? A Mig-21MF would be an incredibly versatile asset to make period correct missions and a campagns, considering the maps we already have and will have. And then if a MF arrives, i suppose it will come with the SM as well, as far as I know they are pretty much the same plane. I very very very hope to see them somedays, maybe with the much needed facelift and sound revamp to the Bis. Finger crossed Edited May 14, 2024 by Mig Fulcrum 2
Apok Posted May 21, 2024 Posted May 21, 2024 (edited) Per chance we get countermeasures control box on bis? As seen on Serbian 21s. Edited May 21, 2024 by Apok 1
nessuno0505 Posted May 28, 2024 Posted May 28, 2024 I'm all-in for a graphic and systems payware overhaul like A-10C II or BS III. I'm a big fan of this kind of upgrades: developing a completely new module is a lot of work for small development groups and DCS dev times are huuuuuge (look at the f-4u). A cheap pay upgrade is less work for the development and a lot of fun for the owners of the module. A quick(er) way to have easy money and happy customers. I'd buy instantly. 2 2
sc_neo Posted June 15, 2024 Posted June 15, 2024 @nessuno0505 Same here. I'd willing to pay some extra in the 10-15$ for a visual upgrade with maybe small additions tech- and gameplaywise, just like with the A-10C II upgrade. 5
zerO_crash Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) Generally, I don't see why a MiG-21 package couldn't be priced at $79 from the get-go. Some of those members who joined DCS in the past couple of years, are a strange breed - there is little thought of what they are actually paying for. Those of us who have been here from the beginning, have gotten over 15 years out of modules like Ka-50/A-10C, and we still continue to invest time into them. Therefore, acting a cheapskate and claiming $10 and $15, becomes outright silly. This is further exacerbated in the fact that we finally have a chance to start fresh here with the MiG-21. There is little point in pulling a dying cat. Times were different when our current MiG-21Bis was released. Particularly, few acted on accountability due to lacking in-depth systems modeling (sight, ++++). It was as it was something fresh and new, thus much was forgiven. Something that might be difficult for new members to understand is that DCS only started to dish out new modules every year (or two) in recent times. BS1 was out for years, before A-10C came out (not even in the same environment, it was either or). Patience and proper planning ahead, is key here. Getting to the point; considering the state that the MiG-21Bis is in, and the fact that solutions were made by customizing the production process, it only seems logical to me to start fresh from scratch. You already have one variant which is wanted - MiG-21Bis. M3 has info on it (granted, more might be needed for some systems to be properly simulated). Still, much of the hard part is finished (getting reliable information). MiG-21Bis is a dedicated A-A variant, with secondary A-G capability. As such, the second variant would logically be a A-G focused one. Multiple factors considered, a PFM would be a solid second choice. Here's the reasoning: a) It would finally introduce a Russian fixed wing with guided weaponry (Kh-66 GROM). It would also allow to use the weapons listed on MiG-21Bis, which Bis cannot use (due to the radar sending out two beams, instead of one - has to do with targetting). b) It would fit very well time-wise with current AJS-37 and F-4E, +++. In particular, we should consider the fact that it's better, in this case, to have a more advnaced variant, as it can be adjusted for backward (in time) compatibility by limiting its ordnance. Particularly in early-to-mid Cold War, the major improvements were in weapon capability. While MiG-21s generally behave relatively similarily, you can, by adjusting available weaponry/cooling fluid for radar, simulate a MiG-21 A-A variant which has no radar and only access to R-60s... This is just an example, but it fits well with the AJS-37 and F-4E as well. With a bit of creativity, and smart thinking, you can easily replicate 3rd gen MiG-21s with the Bis. You can even simulate 2nd gen., if you go back all the way with weaponry (R-55). c) We would gain a different layout MiG-21, which would have an earlier fuselage revision (smaller spine), thus allowing any future ventures to expand from two different types of MiG-21 that we have. While I mention that two distinct MiG-21s could be made for $79, honestly, with a PFM, you are already well above a PF. With certain adjustments, that could be brought in. Equally, with a MiG-21Bis, you have most of a MiG-21M. All of a sudden, we could be talking about four variants of the MiG-21, alas that of what Aerges is doing with the F1... Again, imagination sets the limits, but with a little common sense, it would allow the studio to earn money, and appeal to those of us on the RU-side. BTW. From a MiG-21PF, you are much closer to a MiG-21F-13, than from a MiG-21Bis again. d) With some clever technologies in house, and modern techniques, the MiG-21 should sell like hotcakes, as it is a historically accurate competitor to some of the most popular modules here. M3 - Think over it. It could be a good business, granted - this time, it has to be done right. Edited January 12 by zerO_crash 12 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
phxhf Posted February 19 Posted February 19 I got the MiG21bis very late, one or two years ago, and still had so much fun with it. I agree that the price for an update is really not much of an topic. An update for the current version, with improved graphics and flight-model (the plane repeats the same sequence of movements like being on rails, when stalling) would be great, and I happily pay for it. Not sure if RSBN, ARK and PRGM stations are already supported by the DCS core. Then this would be nice to adapt to the standards as well. 4
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