750-800w TGP ?? What on earth...

[BitMaster]

does Nvidia think are we willing to pay just for electricity ?

Aside all other obstacles that come with such a high power / heat dump card, does Nvidia know what their customers pay for electricity ?

With the current war(s) going on energy prices are going nowhere but up and we already pay north of 30 €cent per kWh, which is 3x times more than the US pays afaik.

I am more and more convinced this thing called PC-Gaming is becoming a thing of the past for many not willing to give an arm and a leg for GPU's and energy costs.

 

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-rtx-4090-would-consume-up-to-750wit-would-arrive-in-september,4.html

Edited February 24, 2022 by BitMaster

[LucShep]

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The GeForce RTX 4080 Ti and RTX 4090 will demand much more power (than the RTX 3000 series equivalents), 750W up to 800W in the latter's case. Greymon55, a leaker who anticipated the introduction of a big number of current AMD and Nvidia products, revealed the first information about it. According to what he revealed, the RTX 4000 will be available in September, with TGP (Total Graphics Power) ratings of 450W, 650W, and 850W, although he emphasized that these are not final specs and may change. The information was confirmed in the comments area by another well-known leaker, "kopite7kimi," who routinely gets his allegations accurate. Although it is a rumor, he claims to have heard that the RTX 4080 would consume 450 watts, the RTX 4080 Ti will consume 600 watts, and the RTX 4090 will require 800 watts, implying that this has already been confirmed by numerous sources.

I remember feeling concerned seeing GPUs going over 250W in recent past, and the feeling that it got ridiculous at the launch of current high-end options surpassing 300W(!).
But anything over 450W for the GPU alone(!), perhaps even 800W on their highest end product, really?? ...that's just plain stupid.

With such upcoming wattage-hogs, Nvidia can go fly a kite.

Edited February 24, 2022 by LucShep

[Bossco82]

Yeah, I know what you mean. Soon Youtube video reviewers will just be doing it for each other. If the rest of us can afford the parts and if the shops have them in stock. You then need the electric to power it all. Which if Europe has a war going on can only be bad news for economics in general. Obviously there are much worse consequences, forgive me on that one.

One thing to consider though. If you play something like DCS with a 60fps cap. Often higher power cards actually use less electric to achieve the same 60fps, often on higher settings too. I went from a 5700xt, to a 2080ti, to a 6800xt and now a 3090fe. I use less electric each time. My 3090 is fine as long as its under 80% load, if it goes above that then the watts go north!

I am in total agreement though 750-800 watts for just the gpu? Get real Nvidia.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Bossco82

[Grodin]

I don't think you need to use all that power with current games unless you go nuts with the settings.

It is true that new cards usually take more power at max load, but given the same amount of load they actually use less power. Consider it as more extra head room should you need it in case of a graphically demanding situation in a mission.

[FR4GGL3]

This Wattage will produce huge amounts of heat. Even a decent custom Watercooling Loop would have a challenge to cool such a Monster - if we still talk about producing this Wattage out of 12V Rails.

I remember what kind of a hassle we had to handle the Powerconsumption of Car HiFi Amplifiers back in the days (they easily double that Wattage out of 12V to 14V - but only for short burst times). But I don't want to lay a track of 50mm² Cables inside of my Computer Case....

[LucShep]

50 minutes ago, FR4GGL3 said:

This Wattage will produce huge amounts of heat. Even a decent custom Watercooling Loop would have a challenge to cool such a Monster - if we still talk about producing this Wattage out of 12V Rails.
(...) I don't want to lay a track of 50mm² Cables inside of my Computer Case....

Pretty much this. 

 

9 hours ago, Grodin said:

I don't think you need to use all that power with current games unless you go nuts with the settings.

It is true that new cards usually take more power at max load, but given the same amount of load they actually use less power. Consider it as more extra head room should you need it in case of a graphically demanding situation in a mission.

..."more extra head room should you need it"? 
What's the point of paying a small fortune for a top of the line GPU (same price as a used car or sportbike) if not to take full advantage of it from the get go? 

Anyway, a GPU consuming 750W/850W at 100% usage (which, sure, does not happen all the time), will still consume way more than normal -or of what is acceptable, really- even at ~60% usage, a predictable regular (if not minimum) usage percentage when gaming.

Edited February 25, 2022 by LucShep

[Hector45]

So much for my hopes of a lower TDP with the 5NM process.

I'm skeptical of this rumor though, I refuse to believe Nvidia thinks ppl will want to install a small space heater in their PC.

[BitMaster]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Hector45:

So much for my hopes of a lower TDP with the 5NM process.

I'm skeptical of this rumor though, I refuse to believe Nvidia thinks ppl will want to install a small space heater in their PC.

I really hope you are right.

 

Yeah, I will lean back and watch this disaster happen. Any average card using 4-500w will cause lots of issues across the average Joe's PC.

500-800w will cause dramatic issues if you don't adjust. 

PSU's will fail and may fry cards & boards like KFC fries chicken... strange memory errors due to intense infrared radiation heating up the modules... 

I mean... yes, you can do that, but you will need to think twice and only get premium PSU's, LARGE DIY loops, many fans....it just adds up down the list.

My PC could accept such a card but my cooling is of the rather large DIY side and I run a 1200w PSU (edit*: it would max out my system cooling capacity and likely my PSU too, Look for 1500w PSU and 2x MoRa3-420 if you go 4090 LoL )...most don't. 

Tbh, I think my days gaming will come to an end soon if Nvida and alikes don't reconsider their strategy.

Edited February 25, 2022 by BitMaster

[Bossco82]

You know what, I like Hectors idea there. Buy a massive Nvidia GPU and then we wont rely on natural gas in Europe! Simply game while heating your home.

I too am sceptical and suspect a bit of a rumour. The 3090ti has had its delays after all. I dont see the point of a graphics card going past 450w requirements. I mean that was my whole gaming PC's power draw 10 years ago.

Owning a 3090fe, (it was an over the top gift, I wanted a 3080ti) I genuinely cant see much more than that needed. Unless its for MSFS @ 4k or more!

[Tom Kazansky]

Does anyone know how much power can be saved by turning off raytracing (of course with raytracing games, not DCS) with todays RTX 30X0? The hope that I have behind this question is that a big part of the leaked 850W of RTX40X0 are only used with raytracing ON.