I just cant get the hang of this module (pilot)

[scommander2]

4 hours ago, StrongHarm said:

I stumbled upon a training tool that helped me acclimate quickly.  Slow the sim down while hovering and analyze the reactions to input at a rate that's more forgiving and observable.  Sounds crazy but it works.  Details are in this quote from another post.  

 

Thanks for posting and I never pay attend on the UI layer feature.

Edited April 28, 2022 by scommander2

[Chad Vader]

On 4/27/2022 at 8:33 PM, comcat said:

My experience ( real world helo pilot):

I have a X-56 Throttle and stick combo. do not use the twist grip for pedals! Do not use the trim for pedals. In setting/special ah64/ set pedal trim to pedals without trim and FFB. my stick with soft spring , the trim is instant.

On my throttle I have rotary knobs, one of them is the rudder axis - and yes constant adjustment is required, like IRL, but trimming is much easier.

Curves: cyclic, no curves, saturation Y at 75. rudder (on rot knob) NO curve. Collective, set to slider saturation Y 80.

Trim: is so important, i have mine set to pinky switch and you trim, trim, trim ,trim, but everytime you trim you have to neutralise the stick ( i have a soft spring in it)

It's practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice,

Flying: fly it like a schoolbus, like a tank. the rest will follow. take your time, slow down early, flat approaches, not vertical above your spot. check your trim indicator frequently!! be ahead of your aircraft, if you want OGE ( out of ground effect hover) you need to bring in your power early, you need between 80 and 95% tq depending on wind and weight. weight: dont bring fuel you dont need: i always go with 70% max.

slow down, trim, trim the rudder always.

the SCAS ( little green plus on you controls indicator)is what is messing with you if you fly out of pedal trim. your pedals need adjustment all the time for speed, TQ and wind.

again slow down, flat departure, flat approaches...fly it like a truck.

on the high speed cyclic pushover issue: its a low G maneuver, that causes the disc to become unloaded>no torque>the tailrotor is pushing it sideways and causing a roll.

 

feel free to ask with specific problems, we can get you mastering this thing.

 

THanks for this.  Interesting esp coming from a real pilot.

I've literally been told by everyone to add curves, but I removed them as per you advice and it didnt seem to make a difference.  Im all over the place on takeoff, then im fairly stable for a bit in the transition to target area, then slowing down to a hover, it all goes south for a bit, then im hovering (ish) and plinking away.  Then eventually ill lose the hover and have to turn around and come in again, its at this point that things really go south, im swaying from left to right, spinning around and in extreme cases (at least once per mission) doing a barrel roll which usually results in my death.  I too found it easier to map my rudder axis but even with that I struggle.

[poochies]

interesting about rudder on a rotary knob I'll try that sounds like good idea

[Chad Vader]

Just to update this topic.

I decided to trial the Hind, to test if it was just me who is a <profanity> pilot or something is up.  I managed to fly an 'entire sortie' on my first attempt (after some practice getting her up and down and moving about), stopping to land in between the target area to watch a grim reapers video on how to use the AT6 missiles.  It wasnt perfect of course but something has to be wrong with my Apache setup.  I used the rotary knob on my hotas instead of the twist and it worked well.  I fly a few sorties in different helos to see which one feels ok, out of them all the Apache is the hardest and most unresponsive.

The actual successful sortie is right at the end about 5 or 6 flights in

Hind Mission Track.trk

Edited May 1, 2022 by Chad Vader

[Chad Vader]

hm, track files busted, i crashed at the end, must have ran too long

[rayrayblues]

10 hours ago, Chad Vader said:

hm, track files busted, i crashed at the end, must have ran too long

Yep.

At least you got rid of the twist.

[comcat]

I must correct myself to previous statement, i have tried a very gentle curve in control sensitivity and i like it. 15 curve is what i have

 

[FatSlapper]

Controllers with potentiometers need to be recalibrated often! This sounds like the OP's problem(not saying it is) 

Flight simulator helicopters made me ditch the psycho "twist grip" and then one thing led to another and now i have an aircraft cockpit in my living room, caveat emptor....

Sometimes you need to amplify your controller inputs NOT dampen them.

Slower the computer the greater the ease of pilot induce oscillations! break the cycle! try different curves, move the cyclic small amounts to a new spot hold it there and see what happens. Only move it this way spot to spot like a digital robot.

My suspicion with the 64 is lag or delay with controller input. I had a terrible time with PIO (still do sometimes)! Early Access problems i hope.

I have a Warthog HOTAS and i use about 1/8" of my collective(WH throttle axis) throw for 98% of the whole flight, bottom AND top 1/3 of travel=useless, if I lower the collective a billionth of a nanometer too low i will drop out of the sky in a powerful VRS condition with NO warning what so ever! I would rather fly in an Osprey than this death trap. Early access, i hope this isnt the new F18 tanking thing.    

 

 

[TobiasA]

Am 26.4.2022 um 14:39 schrieb Bagpipe:

Sometimes if making small corrections with rudder trim, releasing back to centre may sometimes not register which may be because of too large of a deadzone being set on the corresponding axis. This in turn can cause wild swings.

This can't be overstressed. When in a hover, trim and do a small wipeout. I usually do a small circle on the stick and do a small left-right kick on the rudder after trim hat up to make absolutely sure that the release to center is registered. Otherwise, it will swing violently to the side...

You should however not do that while your CPG is lasing a missile in hover.

[admiki]

Heading hold is always active. Small rudder inputs will be registered as unvanted inputs and fought by SCAS. Once you cross treshold, SCAS will disengage, giving you big swing.

Best way to make small heading adjustments is to hold trim release.

[TobiasA]

Am 26.12.2022 um 23:33 schrieb FatSlapper:

Controllers with potentiometers need to be recalibrated often! This sounds like the OP's problem(not saying it is) 

Flight simulator helicopters made me ditch the psycho "twist grip" and then one thing led to another and now i have an aircraft cockpit in my living room, caveat emptor....

Sometimes you need to amplify your controller inputs NOT dampen them.

Slower the computer the greater the ease of pilot induce oscillations! break the cycle! try different curves, move the cyclic small amounts to a new spot hold it there and see what happens. Only move it this way spot to spot like a digital robot.

My suspicion with the 64 is lag or delay with controller input. I had a terrible time with PIO (still do sometimes)! Early Access problems i hope.

I have a Warthog HOTAS and i use about 1/8" of my collective(WH throttle axis) throw for 98% of the whole flight, bottom AND top 1/3 of travel=useless, if I lower the collective a billionth of a nanometer too low i will drop out of the sky in a powerful VRS condition with NO warning what so ever! I would rather fly in an Osprey than this death trap. Early access, i hope this isnt the new F18 tanking thing.    

Some things I have learned:

• Do not exceed 400 feet per minute sink rate in a hover. Just don't. You can have slightly more if your intend to stop with the ground effect. 
• You often don't need full tanks. Most of my flights start with 60% fuel which is enough for more than an hour and gives a lot of agility.
• If you need to leave a hover fast, tilt to one side, swing the tail around and put the nose down. Recover the dive with forward speed instead of risking VRS. It js also changing your position faster and less predictable than trying to sink with 400fpm to evade an incoming missile or die of VRS.
• When coming up below a hill, aim for a low climb rate which is easier to stop precisely. 
• Use the hover hold and altitude hold modes. They make life so much easier
• When descending from a hover, ease off on the collective until you almost have your desired sink rate, then go back to almost the same power setting to "arrest" the sink rate.
• Avoid sharp adjustments on the collective. Those won't be compensated by SAS. Try to be gentle with the collective and if you have to evade, try to use the cyclic instead.
• Course changes are more effective than altitude changes with the collective if you go evasive. If you hear "ZSU, 12 o'clock, tracking" and don't touch the cyclic for 5 seconds, you die.