Still no Mirage F1 section on User Files

Bullets · October 2, 2022

It's been quite a while since release now. I remember seeing someone saying it was going to be implemented but here we are. Scrolling through the "others" isn't really ideal.

Cheers

Bullets

chichowalker · October 3, 2022

Agree, months since release. This module deserve its own section. Come on.....

BIGNEWY · October 3, 2022

I have bumped admin for the request.

thanks

MAXsenna · October 3, 2022

I have bumped admin for the request.
thanks

Can you make him do it for the MB-339 as well while he's at it?

Cheers!

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BIGNEWY · October 3, 2022

5 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Can you make him do it for the MB-339 as well while he's at it?

Cheers!

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We usually wait until they are released, but will mention it

Bullets · October 13, 2022

Bump...

Aircul · October 22, 2022

Bump

Rudel_chw · October 22, 2022

I lost hope regarding this

chichowalker · October 22, 2022

Me too. Must be difficult.....

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Rudel_chw · October 22, 2022

1 hour ago, chichowalker said:

Must be difficult.....

Yeah .. adding an entry onto a php table, really hard .. you have to be a top-1% IT guy to be able to do it

trevoC · October 22, 2022

1 hour ago, Rudel_chw said:

Yeah .. adding an entry onto a php table, really hard .. you have to be a top-1% IT guy to be able to do it

I'm guessing your assumption is that most IT guys sit around watching youtube videos until they finally get a request to do something instead of being inundated with potentially hundreds of "easy" requests that are of little priority compared to the larger scoped projects and fires that exist daily. Sometimes the small "easy to do" items are easiest to bump. "php table" is enough for me to know how much you know about this process. I feel you "IT guy". Most likely if we B@#$% enough he'll stay later one night and get it done.

Rudel_chw · October 22, 2022

1 hour ago, trevoC said:

"php table" is enough for me to know how much you know about this process

I know very little, so maybe I'm wrong and adding a "Mirage F1" entry to the User's Files is actually a much much harder task than I can imagine, and it has so little priority that having the users wait for three months is completely normal and almost irrelevant .. I'm not going to insist more on this subject, I will just forget about this and move on to more ejoyable activities.

Edited October 22, 2022 by Rudel_chw

trevoC · October 22, 2022

For the record, I don't disagree. I just disagree with your characterization of their IT guy which I feel is totally unfair (as one myself for 30 years).

The Mirage is also early access and as a developer by trade one could argue that a User Section shouldn't be added until it was a full release as the structure and their systems are more likely to change more rapidly then when fully released, potentially breaking any added user files more easily than at a later date.

Always to sides to a coin.

How hard this task could be depends on a lot to do with how legacy the system is and how it was built. Many of these systems are built quickly to fill a need with little thought (or lots of thought) but little time and resources available to develop them in such a way that allows easy management.

If a tool like the User section needs to be developed it might take 5 times as long to develop a user interface to manage it nicely compared to rapidly developing a working section. A busy developer can take path 1 very easily when things are busy... put fire A out today rather than considering all the potential future fires.

MAXsenna · October 22, 2022

11 minutes ago, trevoC said:

For the record, I don't disagree. I just disagree with your characterization of their IT guy which I feel is totally unfair (as one myself for 30 years).

Well, in another posts from the mods, they said they were gonna ask the web admin or something, and as the web pages don't seem to get much updates, I'd say this could be handled more quickly, and compared to how quickly the Hind, Mossie and Apache was added. Well...

15 minutes ago, trevoC said:

The Mirage is also early access and as a developer by trade one could argue that a User Section shouldn't be added until it was a full release as the structure and their systems are more likely to change more rapidly then when fully released, potentially breaking any added user files more easily than at a later date.

This doesn't make sense at all. We're talking about the user files section. Liveries, missions and so one. The devs don't touch it, if anything brakes, so be it. We know things will break, might even be soon as 2.8 seems on the not too distant horizon.

16 minutes ago, trevoC said:

Always to sides to a coin.

Not in this case.

I agree with the rest of your points, but I don't they are meaningful here compared to how quickly other wishes were solved and added.

Cheers!

trevoC · October 22, 2022

You didn't understand what I was saying about the user files section at all, but that is besides the point.

Most of my mentions are potentials... not my opinion... I'm just saying these are possibilities and not to characterize someone you don't know about a topic you are a layman on. Taking any one of my points as my specific argument means you missed the point a bit.

Its very possible the "web admin" for this site is not his/her primary function at ED or has volunteer elements to it... again, possibility. This should be on ED where these comments might be better directed than to someone you don't know.

No one is arguing for this not to get done.

Edited October 22, 2022 by trevoC

MAXsenna · October 22, 2022

You didn't understand what I was saying about the user files section at all, but that is besides the point.
Most of my mentions are potentials... not my opinion... I'm just saying these are possibilities and not to characterize someone you don't know about a topic you are a layman on. Taking any one of my points as my specific argument means you missed the point a bit.
Its very possible the "web admin" for this site is not his/her primary function at ED or has volunteer elements to it... again, possibility. This should be on ED where these comments might be better directed than to someone you don't know.
No one is arguing for this not to get done.

Guess I did.
For the record, both Rudel and I work in IT as well. Guess we have different experiences and expectations. You're eight years my senior it seems so I'll shut up now.

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trevoC · October 23, 2022

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The devs don't touch it

I never said or implied they did, so the premise of your answer is based on something I did not say. I just didn't feel like getting into the weeds on a secondary argument that I didn't mention.

"Working in IT" is as broad as working in an office nowadays, But regardless of my or your experience or expertise (both of which are irrelevant), unless you work at ED I'm guessing you have as much insight into the challenges of completing this request as I do, which is zero.

In this context, I stick with the premise of my original post on the matter which was based on:

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Yeah .. adding an entry onto a php table, really hard .. you have to be a top-1% IT guy to be able to do it

Is not fair to an individual you do not know about a process you know nothing about.

I have yet to see a PHP Table in my long career (and I've been working with it (not exclusively) since its inception) which affords me enough insight into the comment to know the commentor doesn't have the appropriate insight to make such a comment.

Again, no one is arguing that this shouldn't be added.

Edited October 23, 2022 by trevoC

Sacarino111 · October 23, 2022

19 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:

Yeah .. adding an entry onto a php table, really hard .. you have to be a top-1% IT guy to be able to do it

Ah yes?

I always thought it was a mater of Black Magic!

Saludos.

Saca111

Rudel_chw · October 23, 2022

1 hour ago, Sacarino111 said:

I always thought it was a mater of Black Magic!

My posts were restored? .. I tought that I had pissed off the Moderators

it's a relief, I didn't mean a disrespect towards the Site's Admin, whoever he is, it was just the frustration talking .. I have edited a series of training missions for the Mirage F1 and left them unfinished because of this issue of not having a proper place to share them

trevoC · October 23, 2022

Also, I think this has gotten a little out of hand:

The idea was to state: Hey dude, that's not fair has somehow got misconstrued I believe.

All other statements were essentially insights into how its possible that reality is different to one might perceive it. Somehow those statements became my opinion on why ED shouldn't do this.

@Rudel_chw If you took it any other way I apologize.

Rudel_chw · October 23, 2022

1 hour ago, trevoC said:

@Rudel_chw If you took it any other way I apologize.

Don't worry, it's me the one that should apologize .. It's just that I truly support ED in everyway I can, so having a seemingly simple request being ignored for months (I first asked back on July ), pushed me over the edge in frustration .

Edited October 23, 2022 by Rudel_chw

Sacarino111 · October 23, 2022

47 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

My posts were restored? .. I tought that I had pissed off the Moderators

it's a relief, I didn't mean a disrespect towards the Site's Admin, whoever he is, it was just the frustration talking .. I have edited a series of training missions for the Mirage F1 and left them unfinished because of this issue of not having a proper place to share them

Hi

I am pretty sure you didn't meant to be disrespectfull; I follow your posts and you are always wanting to help ro bring something constructive. Keep the good work and vibrations.

Saludos.

Saca111

chichowalker · October 24, 2022

Lot of Early Access modules has his own section. It is not a valid argument

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trevoC · October 24, 2022

1 hour ago, chichowalker said:

Lot of Early Access modules has his own section. It is not a valid argument

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Because it has been done before does not add or take away from the validity of the argument, that is a fallacy.

Maybe for that exact reason (they did this before and it didn't work) they chose not to do it again. Again, this is a possibility of a hypothetical, not my opinion or argument. Not sure why we are arguing over either of these things though ignoring the spirit of the original post. If anything is to be discussed, its that.

People have jumped off bridges in the past. This does not make that idea more or less valid.

Again though, if that comment is your focus, you missed the point. I specifically stated "one could argue". This wasn't meant to be an argument.

You can pick at specifics in the post, but the post had a very specific theme which you've missed completely.

Nowhere am I arguing that they shouldn't add this section. So none of these comments are arguments against that.

Edited October 24, 2022 by trevoC

chichowalker · October 25, 2022

Sorry, but in nowhere it explained that is not gonna be followed the same procedure with next early access modules. So, due to the reason that nothing is written regarding to this topic, everybody can think, logic, that same procedure will be followed.

So, its not my fault man. But anyway I will stop posting here about this, waiting for next modules way of proceed....

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