solved Constant CTD + reboot + BSOD since 2.8.

Fulgrim · November 11, 2022

I've disabled all mods and tried in 2D vs VR, still crashing, most times without a log file being created. I don't know what else to do; 2.7 was rock solid and I haven't changed anything on my setup.

Thanks

i5 12600K / 3080ti FE / 32GB DDR4@3200Mhz / NVME M2 2TB

dcs.log.old dcs.log

Fulgrim · November 11, 2022

Another one.

dcs.log

Flappie · November 11, 2022

Hi. Two mods are throwing errors when the log ends: Tacview and DCSDTC. Maybe they are conflicting. Disable them one after the other and see what you get.

2022-11-11 21:32:00.087 INFO    GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Creating Resource "Unicode" of type 1
2022-11-11 21:32:00.088 ERROR   Lua::Config (Main): Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame'
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>.
2022-11-11 21:32:00.088 ERROR   ED_SOUND (Main): invalid host_params(Explosions/main): position
2022-11-11 21:32:00.181 ERROR   Lua::Config (Main): Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame'
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>.
2022-11-11 21:32:02.145 WARNING LOG (15240): 310 duplicate message(s) skipped.
2022-11-11 21:32:02.145 INFO    ASYNCNET (Main): Current ping: 17.7ms
2022-11-11 21:32:02.150 ERROR   Lua::Config (Main): Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame'
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>.
2022-11-11 21:32:14.370 WARNING LOG (15240): 2136 duplicate message(s) skipped.
2022-11-11 21:32:14.370 ERROR_ONCE DX11BACKEND (9608): texture '.' not found. Asked from ''
2022-11-11 21:32:14.371 ERROR   Lua::Config (Main): Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame'
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>.

Fulgrim · November 11, 2022

Removing these didn't work. More logs.

21 minutes ago, Flappie said:

Hi. Two mods are throwing errors when the log ends: Tacview and DCSDTC. Maybe they are conflicting. Disable them one after the other and see what you get.

2022-11-11 21:32:00.087 INFO    GRAPHICSVISTA (Main): Creating Resource "Unicode" of type 1
2022-11-11 21:32:00.088 ERROR   Lua::Config (Main): Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame'
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>.
2022-11-11 21:32:00.088 ERROR   ED_SOUND (Main): invalid host_params(Explosions/main): position
2022-11-11 21:32:00.181 ERROR   Lua::Config (Main): Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame'
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>.
2022-11-11 21:32:02.145 WARNING LOG (15240): 310 duplicate message(s) skipped.
2022-11-11 21:32:02.145 INFO    ASYNCNET (Main): Current ping: 17.7ms
2022-11-11 21:32:02.150 ERROR   Lua::Config (Main): Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame'
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>.
2022-11-11 21:32:14.370 WARNING LOG (15240): 2136 duplicate message(s) skipped.
2022-11-11 21:32:14.370 ERROR_ONCE DX11BACKEND (9608): texture '.' not found. Asked from ''
2022-11-11 21:32:14.371 ERROR   Lua::Config (Main): Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function 'PrevLuaExportAfterNextFrame'
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:65: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/TacviewGameExport.lua"]:58>.

dcs.log.old dcs.log

Flappie · November 11, 2022

You only removed Tacview. DCSDTC is still active, which means it's the designated culprit.

	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:308>.
2022-11-11 22:02:19.157 WARNING LOG (1484): 58 duplicate message(s) skipped.
2022-11-11 22:02:19.157 INFO    EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (Main):     surface5 gc() LOD 0 29 squares
2022-11-11 22:02:19.158 INFO    EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (Main):     surface5 gc() LOD 1 86 squares
2022-11-11 22:02:19.158 INFO    EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (Main):     surface5 gc() LOD 2 100 squares
2022-11-11 22:02:19.158 INFO    EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (Main):     surface5 gc() LOD 3 33 squares
2022-11-11 22:02:19.158 INFO    EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (Main): surface5 gc() 1.893800 ms
2022-11-11 22:02:19.169 ERROR   Lua::Config (Main): Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:308>.

Fulgrim · November 11, 2022

27 minutes ago, Flappie said:

You only removed Tacview. DCSDTC is still active, which means it's the designated culprit.

	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:308>.
2022-11-11 22:02:19.157 WARNING LOG (1484): 58 duplicate message(s) skipped.
2022-11-11 22:02:19.157 INFO    EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (Main):     surface5 gc() LOD 0 29 squares
2022-11-11 22:02:19.158 INFO    EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (Main):     surface5 gc() LOD 1 86 squares
2022-11-11 22:02:19.158 INFO    EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (Main):     surface5 gc() LOD 2 100 squares
2022-11-11 22:02:19.158 INFO    EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (Main):     surface5 gc() LOD 3 33 squares
2022-11-11 22:02:19.158 INFO    EDTERRAINGRAPHICS41 (Main): surface5 gc() 1.893800 ms
2022-11-11 22:02:19.169 ERROR   Lua::Config (Main): Call error LuaExportAfterNextFrame:[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
	[C]: ?
	[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:322: in function <[string "C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts/DCSDTC.lua"]:308>.

Can you check this one, please? I removed the DCSDTC.lua file and the program, still crashing. Thanks.

dcs.log

Edited November 11, 2022 by Fulgrim

Bubba Gump954 · November 11, 2022

im having the same issues would someone be willing to take a look at my log?

dcs.log

Edited November 11, 2022 by Bubba Gump954

Flappie · November 12, 2022

@Fulgrim @Bubba Gump954 Please try this:

Go to "Saved Games\DCS...\Scripts".
Rename your "Export.lua" to "Export.lua.bak" so the game cannot use it.
Do the freezes keep happening, now?

Baldrick33 · November 12, 2022

My gut feel is that 2.8 is tipping your PC over the edge if you're getting reboots and BSODs.

I had this in the past with a well know racing sim - it was the only thing that caused the PC to hang but I am sure it was down to PC cooling and was the one thing that would stress my PC enough to tip it over. I fixed it temporarily by constraining the FPS to a fixed level rather than running free and permanently by improving the PC cooling.

If I overclock my 8600K to 5.0 GHz it will occasionally BSOD, again typically when under heavy load with a racing or flying sim. At 4.9 it runs fine.

Although DCS 2.8 is the one factor that causes it and so is the culprit, it may well be that it is pushing your GPU or CPU to a level where your PC I can't cope which 2.7 didn't. Just a thought.

Edited November 12, 2022 by Baldrick33
spelling!

Hiob · November 12, 2022

With hard PC crashes, the first question should always be, are there any overclocks applied (GPU, CPU, RAM)?

Even if it ran stable for some time, change in ambient temp, degradation over time, slight change in loads, new software can tip it over the edge.

If the answer is no, you can continue hunting the culprit. But if there are any, you should first check if the crash still happens with the overclocks (and undervolts) removed.

(from my experience, GPU problems most often only lead to CTD, whereas CPU/RAM issues may cause a BSOD or reset.)

Edited November 12, 2022 by Hiob

Bubba Gump954 · November 12, 2022

Thanks fellas.

1) @Flappie Turning off the lua seems to have done it, i wasn't even able to idle at the airfield for a couple of minutes before it would crash but if I took off quickly it wouldn't be a problem unless I switched airplanes or something like that.

2) @Baldrick33 Thanks, this was the other thing everything was running so smooth and cool i was like "uhhggg!!! WHY is this happening?"...

3) @Hiob Also thank you too, I updated my bios last weekend and i was wondering if that was involved but i got to thinking about it and I was like "noo, cause it was doing that before the update." also I don't have anything overclocked and I have plenty of ram and just didn't know what was going on.

But let me ask you guys this, my SRS isn't connecting to the game is that because the lua script is turned off?

ps. big thanks I couldn't have figured this out by myself

Flappie · November 12, 2022

10 minutes ago, Bubba Gump954 said:

But let me ask you guys this, my SRS isn't connecting to the game is that because the lua script is turned off?

ps. big thanks I couldn't have figured this out by myself

You're welcome.

Renaming your "Export.lua" script disabled all your custom scripts, SRS among them. Now, we need to find which script cause havoc in DCS. Please attach your Export.lua.back file.

Edited November 12, 2022 by Flappie

Bubba Gump954 · November 12, 2022

ahh sweet thanks

Export.lua.bak.lua

Flappie · November 12, 2022

Now, that's weird: the only script called by your Export.lua file is... SRS. Usually, this mod never cause havoc in DCS.

pcall(function() local dcsSr=require('lfs');dofile(dcsSr.writedir()..[[Mods\Services\DCS-SRS\Scripts\DCS-SimpleRadioStandalone.lua]]); end,nil);

You should try uninstalling/reinstalling SRS. Don't worry the uninstaller keeps your custom settings. I know for sure because I did that just a few days ago.

Bubba Gump954 · November 12, 2022

yeah its just the one thing in there and rename it back to export.lua?

Flappie · November 12, 2022

No, leave it like it is. The SRS installer will create a brand new one.

Bubba Gump954 · November 12, 2022

ok

Bubba Gump954 · November 12, 2022

I think we got it, Major thank you @Flappie

and @Baldrick33 and @Hiob

Flappie · November 12, 2022

Great!

@Fulgrim Let me kow how it goes for you when you neutralize the Export.lua script.

Hiob · November 12, 2022

36 minutes ago, Bubba Gump954 said:

I think we got it, Major thank you @Flappie

and @Baldrick33 and @Hiob

I did nothing. Just pointing out a common point of failure which didn’t apply here.

But reminds me again to add export scripts to the „common culprits“ list.

The real guardian angel here is Flappie!

Edited November 12, 2022 by Hiob
angel, not angle

Fulgrim · November 12, 2022

Still nothing @Flappie, I crashed on one game without even doing anything.

dcs.log.old Export.lua.bak dcs.log

Fulgrim · November 12, 2022

Another.

dcs.log

Flappie · November 12, 2022

You have a lot of mods installed. One may cause your issue. Please try this:

Go to "Saved Games".
Rename "DCS.openbeta" to "DCS.openbeta.bak" (do NOT delete it, you will need it to retrieve your custom settigns among other things).
Start DCS: it will ask for your credentials, then it will create a brand new "DCS.openbeta" folder.
Exit DCS.
Go to "Saved Games/DCS.openbeta.bak/Config" (the old folder).
Copy the "Input" folder.
Paste it into "Saved Games/DCS.openbeta/Config" and accept overwriting. You should now have retrieved your custom bindings.
See if DCS keeps crashing.

Fulgrim · November 12, 2022

6 minutes ago, Flappie said:

You have a lot of mods installed. One may cause your issue. Please try this:

Go to "Saved Games".

Rename "DCS.openbeta" to "DCS.openbeta.bak" (do NOT delete it, you will need it to retrieve your custom settigns among other things).

Start DCS: it will ask for your credentials, then it will create a brand new "DCS.openbeta" folder.

Exit DCS.

Go to "Saved Games/DCS.openbeta.bak/Config" (the old folder).

Copy the "Input" folder.

Paste it into "Saved Games/DCS.openbeta/Config" and accept overwriting. You should now have retrieved your custom bindings.

See if DCS keeps crashing.

My apologies, I thought I had disabled them all but it appears I forgot the Saved Games' ones.

Another log without any mods.

dcs.log

Flappie · November 12, 2022

You still have two of them active:

2022-11-12 18:25:00.900 INFO    APP (Main): Loaded C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\Hooks\OpenKneeboardDCSExt.lua
2022-11-12 18:25:00.902 INFO    LuaNET (Main): [Scratchpad] Loaded ...
2022-11-12 18:25:00.902 INFO    APP (Main): Loaded C:\Users\jaime\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Scripts\Hooks\scratchpad-hook.lua

You don't want to create a fresh DCS.openbeta folder, do you?

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