FSSB R3 MKII

[Supmua]

New base is coming soon, hopefully by Christmas.  I’m allowed to share more details in a few days once I get a hold of the prototype.

[Supmua]

Teaser.  The board is very well built, solid quality.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Supmua

[Chapa]

Probably my christmas gift. Currently waiting more info about this ultra upgrade

[Supmua]

Still testing but some more info.

The new R3L MKII offers more realistic control in low force input scenarios which is more suitable for simulation.

Real F-16 stick: 26 lbs of force for full input with 1/2 inch of stick displacement.  Can be rough for typical simmers if you play for hours.

R3L: 13 lbs max input with 1/4 inch of stick displacement.

R3L MKII: reduces the force sensitivity further by 4 lbs while retaining realistic movements, so aircraft control feels more responsive without breaking your arm.  The force sensitivity remains adjustable via software.

 

Upgrade path for now.

Old/existing housing with new board for Christmas.

Edited November 29, 2022 by Supmua

[RyanFlint]

Great to know that there is a "simple" update option for existing users.

[Chapa]

Thank you for the info. The upgrade is worth the wait. 

[Hiker1]

Thanks for the update. I am waiting for Christmas to get the Mk2, but there will be another version next year, right? So buy next month or next year?  Will there be an upgrade option if I buy this Christmas?

Edited November 19, 2022 by Hiker1

[Supmua]

This is the reason why existing owners may want to upgrade.

Subjectively, it feels much more responsive pulling high G’s, making tight turns, etc. with the F-16C.  You have better control in low force input scenarios also making it easier to hold steady the force input at say 20% vs the old one (Helicopters control is tighter with this one also).  Regarding helicopter control, the built in software trimming option works really well.  Without trimming it’s still harder to hold the input vs my regular stick with long extension though since my arm gets tired out after awhile.

Objectively, see the attached graphs.

I have no idea regarding the the upgrade details or release date, I’m only testing the product.

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by Supmua

[Burt]

Very interesting ! Thanks for your testing and sharing it. 

[FoxTwo]

Cool.

Still using mini usb? or have they switched to USB-C?

[Burt]

Is it just an upgraded board ? that is used/replaced into the R3L.

[Supmua]

Mini USB. The release for now will be upgraded board only. A simple direct board swap. 

I’m enjoying this one so far, it is quite responsive when you need to make a sharp turn without feeling like breaking your arm or the joystick connection in the process.  It is especially better with faster pace games like Star Wars Squadron, MechWarrior 5, etc. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by Supmua

[Burt]

Right on !  What are your pressue settings ? Pitch and Roll. I like this part  " it is quite responsive when you need to make a sharp turn" 

I usually have Pitch 8.50 Roll 4.06 in a BFM situation but have gone to P-10.30 R 5.00 every once in awhile. 

[Supmua]

17 hours ago, Burt said:

Right on !  What are your pressue settings ? Pitch and Roll. I like this part  " it is quite responsive when you need to make a sharp turn" 

I usually have Pitch 8.50 Roll 4.06 in a BFM situation but have gone to P-10.30 R 5.00 every once in awhile. 

Right now 8.5 pitch, 6.5 roll (not exact as I’m not home but around that ballpark). But I’m still tweaking. If you look at the graphs you can see that it’s more responsive to the older one so there’ll be an adjustment period.  There’ll be people who’ll want to push harder or the other way around. 
Also remember the force limit of the FSSB is 13 lbs by design, push harder and you may break it.  There’s a Pro version that is 1:1 to the real thing but costs 10x more and needs a lot of force to operate.

Edited November 21, 2022 by Supmua

[Burt]

Yeah that’s pretty impressive. Thanks for the info I’ll stay tuned.

[Kiseki_Yu]

Dear Supmua,

Could you please show some pictures of installing the upgraded board?

[Supmua]

2 hours ago, Kiseki_Yu said:

Dear Supmua,

Could you please show some pictures of installing the upgraded board?

Board upgrade takes just a few mins. 8 screws total, you’ll need 2 different screwdrivers (T20 M4 torx for the inner screws and M4 hex for the outer ones, no need to touch the Phillips screws). 

Align the white arrow on the board with the USB port.

Edited November 21, 2022 by Supmua

[Burt]

That’s awesome ! I’m curious on the price and availability. 

[Kiseki_Yu]

1小时前，Supmua说：

Board upgrade takes just a few mins. 8 screws total, you’ll need 2 different screwdrivers (T20 M4 torx for the inner screws and M4 hex for the outer ones, no need to touch the Phillips screws). 

Align the white arrow on the board with the USB port.

 

Thank you very much! It looks so simple! Thank, RS!

[Kiseki_Yu]

2022/11/20 PM7点48分，Supmua说：

This is the reason why existing owners may want to upgrade.

Subjectively, it feels much more responsive pulling high G’s, making tight turns, etc. with the F-16C.  You have better control in low force input scenarios also making it easier to hold steady the force input at say 20% vs the old one (Helicopters control is tighter with this one also).  Regarding helicopter control, the built in software trimming option works really well.  Without trimming it’s still harder to hold the input vs my regular stick with long extension though since my arm gets tired out after awhile.

Objectively, see the attached graphs.

I have no idea regarding the the upgrade details or release date, I’m only testing the product.

 

 

What's mean of the displacement? In your graph, does this means that R3L cannot achive to displacement >3?

Edited November 22, 2022 by Kiseki_Yu

[Supmua]

Displacement is the distance that something moves, in this case the distance the stick travels when a certain amount of force is applied.  With the MKII, less force is needed to produce similar amount of displacement.

[fredclan]

But your graph shows the mkII moving 5mm with 13 lbs vs the r3l moving 2mm with 13 lb pull. Has stick physical travel been increaseed?

[horus-DCS]

On 11/20/2022 at 7:48 PM, Supmua said:

Regarding helicopter control, the built in software trimming option works really well.  Without trimming it’s still harder to hold the input vs my regular stick with long extension though since my arm gets tired out after awhile.

 

I believe that the hardware trim is already working for the recent R3L version, is there anything new in the R3L Mk2 trim function?

 

[Supmua]

The only thing new as far as I know is the change in force-displacement graph’s slope with the new hardware. 

[AlexCaboose]

This graph doesn't make sense. How would a board upgrade allow greater physical displacement? Surely that must come from the actual base itself, which you're saying won't be out until later in 2023.