Sudden turbulence/wind exploding aircraft

[roobarbjapan]

Hello all,

There seems to be a bug that from what I can see is caused by the tomcat. Online, if you fly in close formation, after a short time there is a crazy turbulence/wind that black pilots out, causes crazy control issues or in the worst case makes planes full on self destruct. Not like collision and loose a wing, but full on explode and disappear. This only happens when a tomcat is flying in close formation with someone. From our experience both As and Bs cause the issue. Our server doesn't use mods, only moose and mist scripts. We all live in the same country and for the last 2 years desync and lag has never been a problem on our server, so I feel that is not the cause. Since 2.8 this is making flying case 1s or any formation work impossible for the tomcat drivers.

https://twitter.com/nishiyandcs4/status/1593816810415353856?s=20&t=3kPBWrB17-wDVMGYd1oYrQ

https://streamable.com/1rs0k5

In these videos you can see both hornets and F-14s being affected by it. But it only happens when a tomcat gets near to someone. Normally its around the boat too, I don't know if that has anything to do with it. Other people not related to our group have reported the same on twitter and discord. I will try to add .trks soon but the files are massive.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks.

Edited November 23, 2022 by roobarbjapan

[The_Tau]

 wow, very spectacular

Never experienced anything like that though.

Did this appear in new patch? 

[roobarbjapan]

33 minutes ago, The_Tau said:

 wow, very spectacular

Never experienced anything like that though.

Did this appear in new patch? 

It happened to us once at the end of 2.7, but since 2.8 its a regular occurrence so now on our server tomcats have to case 1 alone

[roobarbjapan]

1 hour ago, Бойовий Сокіл said:

Just turn off wake turbulence. 

Will give it a try and report back. If it is indeed a wake turbulence issue then I still feel it needs to be looked at as self destructing planes is pretty intense. 
 

Edit: After considering this I don’t think it’s the issue. In the Twitter video you can see the lead tomcat having the same issue but not flying through anyone’s wake. Also if we turn wake turbulence off it means no burble for the hornet guys. 

Edited November 23, 2022 by roobarbjapan

[Despayre]

Since day 1, my Tomcat has always exploded when I try to land on the boat (for various reasons, like someone stupidly making the back of the boat way too high!)... that's not normal?

[IronMike]

20 hours ago, roobarbjapan said:

Will give it a try and report back. If it is indeed a wake turbulence issue then I still feel it needs to be looked at as self destructing planes is pretty intense. 
 

Edit: After considering this I don’t think it’s the issue. In the Twitter video you can see the lead tomcat having the same issue but not flying through anyone’s wake. Also if we turn wake turbulence off it means no burble for the hornet guys. 

 

When you fly the Tomcat, wake turbulence should always be turned off, as it else doubles with ED's wake turbulence. It does not affect anyone else if you do it in your special options.

[roobarbjapan]

3 hours ago, IronMike said:

When you fly the Tomcat, wake turbulence should always be turned off, as it else doubles with ED's wake turbulence. It does not affect anyone else if you do it in your special options.

Understood. My personal setting is off but I believe the server mission forces it on? What would the best server settings be in regards to wake turbulence? 

Edited November 24, 2022 by roobarbjapan

[IronMike]

23 minutes ago, roobarbjapan said:

Understood. My personal setting is off but I believe the server mission forces it on? What would the best server settings be in regards to wake turbulence? 

 

Don't select any, then it is client side.

[Callsign JoNay]

5 hours ago, IronMike said:

When you fly the Tomcat, wake turbulence should always be turned off, as it else doubles with ED's wake turbulence. It does not affect anyone else if you do it in your special options.

Dude, WTH? It was mentioned so many times on this forum that the wake turbulence was stacking on ED's and the HB team kept saying nope, ED fixed it, and that is was in our imagination.  

By the way, I don't have any option in the special area to disable wake turbulence. 

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The only option for wake turbulence is under gameplay, and that will affect all other non F-14 aircraft. So if a user flies more than just the F-14, they'll have to remember to check/uncheck that box every time.

[IronMike]

1 hour ago, Callsign JoNay said:

Dude, WTH? It was mentioned so many times on this forum that the wake turbulence was stacking on ED's and the HB team kept saying nope, ED fixed it, and that is was in our imagination.  

By the way, I don't have any option in the special area to disable wake turbulence. 

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The only option for wake turbulence is under gameplay, and that will affect all other non F-14 aircraft. So if a user flies more than just the F-14, they'll have to remember to check/uncheck that box every time.

I think you misremember a bit. The burble is turned off for the F14 on ED side, we're still trying to get them to turn off wake turbulence. And yes, apologies, special options was wrong, Gameplay is the one.

[roobarbjapan]

23 hours ago, IronMike said:

Don't select any, then it is client side.

Thank you so much. So far we flew an hour with no issues.

[IronMike]

1 hour ago, roobarbjapan said:

Thank you so much. So far we flew an hour with no issues.

Glad to hear!

[draconus]

On 11/24/2022 at 1:03 PM, IronMike said:

When you fly the Tomcat, wake turbulence should always be turned off, as it else doubles with ED's wake turbulence.

You mean for the Tomcat wake turbulence is always on, no matter the DCS setting?

[DST]

1 hour ago, draconus said:

You mean for the Tomcat wake turbulence is always on, no matter the DCS setting?

The WT-effect in the Tomcat was always part of the module and doesn't seem connected to the WT-effect that was introduced some years ago. I still haven't figured out how to turn it off in the Tomcat (WT option in main options menu does not affect in F14) because I suspect it to be the reason why performance in this module is still a tad worse than in other modules. When I turn on WT effect flying other planes like f18 or f16 it makes quite huge performance hit when there are a few planes around.