Pico 4: how to set it up for DCS?

[apelsin44ek]

2 часа назад, MIghtymoo сказал:

Is SteamVR. Keep DCS PD at 1.

Btw, if it is possible, could you please send screenshots in cockpit looking directly on some panels? But make it please via Pico 4 (using controllers).

I want to compare to what I see. Because may be the problem is not my hardware but my excpectations...

[apelsin44ek]

20 часов назад, MIghtymoo сказал:

Is SteamVR. Keep DCS PD at 1.

In case of VD: should I launch steam VR simultaniously (because if the game launched via desktop it is launched in flat mode)? Launching SteamVR together with VD seems a little bit strange.

I also using OpenComposite (Switch to OpenComposite) and OpenXR toolkit.

[Qcumber]

28 minutes ago, apelsin44ek said:

In case of VD: should I launch steam VR simultaniously (because if the game launched via desktop it is launched in flat mode)? Launching SteamVR together with VD seems a little bit strange.

I also using OpenComposite (Switch to OpenComposite) and OpenXR toolkit.

If you have the latest version of VD you can use the VDXR setting (in the desktop app menu) and bypass steam VR completely. You don't need open composite any more as DCS now runs open xr natively so OXRTK will run automatically. 

[apelsin44ek]

nullCould somebody explain what is this latency in VD?

[MIghtymoo]

Great you are up and running with VD 

From VD homepage: Make sure your computer is wired to your router and not wirelessly connected.
You need at least an 802.11 AC Router and it is required to use a 5 GHz connection.

Also are you running SteamVR?  You should run VDXR.

Edited December 12, 2023 by MIghtymoo

[apelsin44ek]

10 минут назад, MIghtymoo сказал:

Great you are up and running with VD 

From VD homepage: Make sure your computer is wired to your router and not wirelessly connected.
You need at least an 802.11 AC Router and it is required to use a 5 GHz connection.

Also are you running SteamVR?  You should run VDXR.

 

Regarding wired connection of the PC to the router: in progress.

Regarding steamVR: I have no idea why, but maybe because I have steam version of the DCS World, it automatically runs steamvr, despite the fact that I have chosen VDXR.

[MIghtymoo]

46 minutes ago, apelsin44ek said:

Regarding wired connection of the PC to the router: in progress.

Regarding steamVR: I have no idea why, but maybe because I have steam version of the DCS World, it automatically runs steamvr, despite the fact that I have chosen VDXR.

I was on Steam also before. You should transfer to stand-alone version of DCS: 
Steam (digitalcombatsimulator.com)

What are the differences (in addition to better and more frequent sales):
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/steam/#1510458

Edited December 12, 2023 by MIghtymoo

[Qcumber]

2 hours ago, apelsin44ek said:

nullCould somebody explain what is this latency in VD?

In addition to Mighty Moo’s comment you also have a very high game latency. Try running at 72Hz and reduce your game settings to get this down to about 15ms. 

[apelsin44ek]

13 часов назад, MIghtymoo сказал:

I was on Steam also before. You should transfer to stand-alone version of DCS: 
Steam (digitalcombatsimulator.com)

What are the differences (in addition to better and more frequent sales):
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/steam/#1510458

 

So, increase in performance is significant. x2-x3 fps on the same settings

But I have met strange... glitch I think: after some time picture in pico is freezed, despite the fact that on the monitor everything is okay and movement is also tracked. After minute or more I see a black screen in pico and thats all.

[Qcumber]

2 hours ago, apelsin44ek said:

But I have met strange... glitch I think: after some time picture in pico is freezed, despite the fact that on the monitor everything is okay and movement is also tracked. After minute or more I see a black screen in pico and that all.

This might be because of your unstable internet connection. 

[Bearskin]

15 hours ago, apelsin44ek said:

So, increase in performance is significant. x2-x3 fps on the same settings

But I have met strange... glitch I think: after some time picture in pico is freezed, despite the fact that on the monitor everything is okay and movement is also tracked. After minute or more I see a black screen in pico and thats all.

Open composite also has the side effect of turning the Pico screen black whilst still showing the game on the monitor. Especially if you take the headset off for a few minutes, when you come back the Pico screen is black with the white circle going round and round. 

[apelsin44ek]

3 часа назад, Bearskin сказал:

Open composite also has the side effect of turning the Pico screen black whilst still showing the game on the monitor. Especially if you take the headset off for a few minutes, when you come back the Pico screen is black with the white circle going round and round. 

The longer I am setting up Pico, the more I think about HP Rev...

[MIghtymoo]

6 hours ago, apelsin44ek said:

The longer I am setting up Pico, the more I think about HP Rev...

Why are you using Open Composite?

You only need VD (and OXRTK)…

[apelsin44ek]

9 минут назад, MIghtymoo сказал:

Why are you using Open Composite?

You only need VD (and OXRTK)…

It is from the previous attempts to make things work)

Btw, open composite is switched off

Edited December 14, 2023 by apelsin44ek

[apelsin44ek]

Does anybody know what does those peaks means?

I have experienced game freeze when they appeared. The problem is with VRAM I guess (lack of it)?

[MIghtymoo]

Not 100% sure what is the cause, but have some observations. You have are relatively weak system for VR, so you have to work carefully to optimize the quality vs performance.

1. You are running terrain shadows, which is very heavy for the GPU/CPU. 
With your systems specs they should be OFF. 

2. Are you running 72 Hz with reprojection (ASW)? 

3. Have you turned off non-essential applications (except VD) from running in the background?

4. If you have TACView, disable it.

Would love to see your DCS settings in English to give some more advice.

[apelsin44ek]

9 минут назад, MIghtymoo сказал:

Not 100% sure what is the cause, but have some observations. You have are relatively weak system for VR, so you have to work carefully to optimize the quality vs performance.

1. You are running terrain shadows, which is very heavy for the GPU/CPU. 
With your systems specs they should be OFF. 

2. Are you running 72 Hz with reprojection (ASW)? 

3. Have you turned off non-essential applications (except VD) from running in the background?

4. If you have TACView, disable it.

Would love to see your DCS settings in English to give some more advice.

Regarding system spec: I am now thinking abut upgrading my 3070 to 4070 ti (because 4090 is too big for my pc, it would not fit). This is why I am interested in potential drop of performance due to low amount of VRAM.

About DCS settings: I am not satisfied with the picture, so the only way as I see is to upgrade my PC.

[apelsin44ek]

Btw, regarding GPUs for vr: if we exclude 4090 from the list, increase RAM to 64Gb, what is better to choose: 4070ti, 4080 or take a look on 7900XTX?

[MIghtymoo]

4 hours ago, apelsin44ek said:

Btw, regarding GPUs for vr: if we exclude 4090 from the list, increase RAM to 64Gb, what is better to choose: 4070ti, 4080 or take a look on 7900XTX?

I think you would get better responses in a more general VR thread

[zaelu]

On 12/17/2023 at 3:34 PM, apelsin44ek said:

Does anybody know what does those peaks means?

I have experienced game freeze when they appeared. The problem is with VRAM I guess (lack of it)?

 

1. Put mouse over them.
2. To improve screenshot and recorded video quality in Pico 4 make sure you set up the recording format to normal 1920x1080 format. No wider no extra FOV or resolution or any other bs. Chose one eye, 1920x1080p, 16:9, portrait.  And also make sure you are up to date firmware wise. At some point they messed up the video and made those ugly vertical areas where image is garbled especially if you don't stick with standard FOV and HD resolution..

Edited December 18, 2023 by zaelu

[Sabre]

On 12/10/2023 at 11:58 AM, apelsin44ek said:

In case of VD: should I launch steam VR simultaniously (because if the game launched via desktop it is launched in flat mode)? Launching SteamVR together with VD seems a little bit strange.

I also using OpenComposite (Switch to OpenComposite) and OpenXR toolkit.

Why do you still need SteamVR with VD? I just launch VD Streamer, OpenXR is set to run with DCS, XRNeckSafer and off you go. No traces of SteamVR.

[Qcumber]

11 hours ago, Sabre said:

Why do you still need SteamVR with VD? I just launch VD Streamer, OpenXR is set to run with DCS, XRNeckSafer and off you go. No traces of SteamVR.

Are you experiencing any problems with XRNS? Often I find that the rotation is laterally displaced even when recentering so that your POV ends up outside looking back along the side of the aircraft. I have tried reorganising the XR layers so that XRNS is at the top but this does not work. The only way I can solve this is by restarting DCS in steam vr then restarting in VDXR and keeping my headset centred while it launches. It is very frustrating.

[apelsin44ek]

В 19.12.2023 в 00:40, zaelu сказал:

1. Put mouse over them.
2. To improve screenshot and recorded video quality in Pico 4 make sure you set up the recording format to normal 1920x1080 format. No wider no extra FOV or resolution or any other bs. Chose one eye, 1920x1080p, 16:9, portrait.  And also make sure you are up to date firmware wise. At some point they messed up the video and made those ugly vertical areas where image is garbled especially if you don't stick with standard FOV and HD resolution..

 

For me making screenshots and videos is no the case. I am trying just to play this game in vr, nothing else.

Question to the users of the 4090: how much vram does it use for dcs with pico 4 on your settings?

To the users of the 4080: is it enough for pico 4? What settings do you have?

[MIghtymoo]

11 minutes ago, apelsin44ek said:

For me making screenshots and videos is no the case. I am trying just to play this game in vr, nothing else.

Question to the users of the 4090: how much vram does it use for dcs with pico 4 on your settings?

To the users of the 4080: is it enough for pico 4? What settings do you have?

For most of my more less complex mission lately, my 4090 uses around 50-60%. With more variations in units and skins the VRAM increases.

[apelsin44ek]

1 час назад, MIghtymoo сказал:

For most of my more less complex mission lately, my 4090 uses around 50-60%. With more variations in units and skins the VRAM increases.

And do you have some data from multiplayer?

Edited December 25, 2023 by apelsin44ek