no bug IA using MANPADS only at very close range.

[ngreenaway]

16 hours ago, Akenar-99 said:

Here is the track I just made.

Conditions :

SA24  -  Expert  -  Alert state : RED  -  Departure : 1.2 km (0.6 NM) from the helicopter track

Outcome :

Enemy indentifies the Apache at 5 km (2.7 NM) and shoot at 2 km (1.1 NM).

 

PS : CMWS on auto-despense (I let the system do everything by itself ; no flares manual dispense). The missile is detected between 1 and 2 seconds after launch. Which is almost too late for the first shot, and way too late for the second one.

 

 

This sounds like the unit is engaging properly. I don't know why you think there's a problem, unless you're trying to say manpads engage correctly?

[ngreenaway]

1 hour ago, Hiob said:

Just a related question…

What’s the expected effectiveness of flaring against a manpads? I mean, I‘m aware that the answer is most likely „it depends“, but I‘m tinkering with the countermeasure programs of the Viper currently and set up a guy with a Stinger. So far I wasn’t able to dodge the incoming missile even once.

I tried short bursts, long bursts, from default programs all the way up to spamming flares „Maverick-Style“. No afterburner, around 3000ft AGL and I try to turn into the incoming missile when I spot it.

Depends on the system. Against a red-eye, they're probably very effective. Against a blowpipe - probably not needed as the safest place to be is in the targeted aircraft. I don't know about Russian sam's but the more modern ones are probably resistant to flares-i have no reference to that tho

I do know stingers are resistant though. They track not only on IR but also negative UV (think of it as tracking the aircraft silhouette in UV) so it's able to discriminate between spurious heat sources & heat sources correlated with an aircraft 

[Akenar-99]

I am suprised about the close range at which they engage.

It seems really close to me concidering the theoritical range and what Hobel posted a few hours ago

 

[Hobel]

vor 20 Minuten schrieb ngreenaway:

This sounds like the unit is engaging properly. I don't know why you think there's a problem, unless you're trying to say manpads engage correctly?

And how do the results of the irl tests come about, does the drone have a larger ir signature than the apache?

[ngreenaway]

@HobelI just so happen to have a shorad target drone hanging in my garage

Info on continental rpv drones:

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-143.html 

[silverdevil]

5 minutes ago, ngreenaway said:

I just so happen to have a shorad target drone hanging in my garage

lol now all the neighbors want one.