Czechnology Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Not posting any screenies myself, but did note a few things. 1) Exterior model looks DONE. They did make use of the same paint scheme a good few times, but they did show variation. Included some nice close ups, and gave use a look down into the cockpit from outside, HOWEVEr 2) Very keenly noticed, that while there were in general very few cockpit view shots for the video, we definitely did not get any for the F-4. Maybe still getting the finishing touches in on it? 3) We did see weapon releases! Bombs specifically, no A/A missiles, and I was hoping to see a gun burst personally, but the weapon system does seem to be in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceCriminal86 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 There will probably be a more detailed dev update and some renders or screenies in the future. You have no idea how good the external model looks. 3 Heatblur Rivet Counting Squad™ VF-11 and VF-31 1988 [WIP] VF-201 & VF-202 [WIP] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega417 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Will it still look as good after i turn all settings to minimum to run it on my shtbox? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechnology Posted January 4, 2023 Author Share Posted January 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, LanceCriminal86 said: There will probably be a more detailed dev update and some renders or screenies in the future. You have no idea how good the external model looks. I saw it, I know, it's beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozon Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Omega417 said: Will it still look as good after i turn all settings to minimum to run it on my shtbox? Its a Phantom - it will still be beautifugly and hit mach 2 even if you pixelate it to Minecraft level! Edited January 4, 2023 by Bozon 3 “Mosquitoes fly, but flies don’t Mosquito” :pilotfly: - Geoffrey de Havilland. ... well, he could have said it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceCriminal86 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, Czechnology said: I saw it, I know, it's beautiful Heh, you've seen screenshots from the video, I'm talking the full monty renders and better closeups. Nevermind when we really get rolling with the paint jobs. 2 Heatblur Rivet Counting Squad™ VF-11 and VF-31 1988 [WIP] VF-201 & VF-202 [WIP] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalasnkova74 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Bozon said: Its a Phantom - it will still be beautifugly and hit mach 2 even if you pixelate it to Minecraft level! Case in point: Edited January 4, 2023 by Kalasnkova74 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BringTheReign_ Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Someone in the Discord said to cut the video up into just the Phantom bits, so here it is, the Phantom supercut haha 9 https://youtube.com/@thesimnet questions@thesimnet.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldeagle365 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 From the video I noticed a few things. -No AN-ANR-101 antennas or Target Identification System Electro-Optic (TISEO), so no DMAS (Digital Modular Avionics System) So judging from Iron Mikes FAQ post the birds used here represent the "Classic era" F4Es Super excited to see some internals and the late model airframe as well! null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Kinda surprised a German F-4 was so prominently featured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalasnkova74 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 46 minutes ago, F-2 said: Kinda surprised a German F-4 was so prominently featured. It makes sense; I believe the Heatblur team used a museum German F-4E as a template aircraft. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kalasnkova74 said: It makes sense; I believe the Heatblur team used a museum German F-4E as a template aircraft. Oh nvm then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 So apparently the F-4F got the ability to use AIM-9L in the first peace rhine update in the early 80s. Could the standard F-4 use AIM-9 natively? Is something being teased? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtPappy Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, F-2 said: So apparently the F-4F got the ability to use AIM-9L in the first peace rhine update in the early 80s. Could the standard F-4 use AIM-9 natively? Is something being teased? If you're asking if F-4E's could carry the AIM-9L the answer is yes! First I thought that they might just be place holders for the sake of the trailer but then it would've made sense to use the AIM-9P model instead so you may be on to something?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSplayer Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, SgtPappy said: If you're asking if F-4E's could carry the AIM-9L the answer is yes! First I thought that they might just be place holders for the sake of the trailer but then it would've made sense to use the AIM-9P model instead so you may be on to something?? It seems pretty intentional. The LAU-7 pylons for the AIM-9Ls were not authorized for USAF F-4Es. LAU-105s would be used if it was a USAF jet. LAU-7s were used however in place of AERO 3s by the USAF early in the F-4E’s service but they were omitted from the manual by 1990. -Tinkerer, Certified F-14 and AIM-54 Nut | Discord: @dsplayer Setup: i7-8700k, GTX 1080 Ti, 32GB 3066Mhz, Lots of Storage, Saitek/Logitech X56 HOTAS, TrackIR + TrackClipPro Modules: F-14, F/A-18, JF-17, F-16C, Mirage 2000C, FC3, F-5E, Mi-24P, AJS-37, AV-8B, A-10C II, AH-64D, MiG-21bis, F-86F, MiG-19P, P-51D, Mirage F1, L-39, C-101, SA342M, Ka-50 III, Supercarrier, F-15E Maps: Caucasus, Marianas, South Atlantic, Persian Gulf, Syria, Nevada Mods I've Made: F-14 Factory Clean Cockpit Mod | Modern F-14 Weapons Mod | Iranian F-14 Weapons Pack | F-14B Nozzle Percentage Mod + Label Fix | AIM-23 Hawk Mod for F-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-2 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I wonder if this is hinting ICE. Peace Rhine I predates ICE but that would be a very odd Phantom to simulate. Apparently unlike the Greek modernized phantom the German planes pretty much have the same cockpit and Radar scope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceCriminal86 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, F-2 said: I wonder if this is hinting ICE. Peace Rhine I predates ICE but that would be a very odd Phantom to simulate. Apparently unlike the Greek modernized phantom the German planes pretty much have the same cockpit and Radar scope. No, they aren't doing any of that. The F-4F wasn't the only jet referenced, they also came over and referenced US Es. German skins only mean exactly that, E's with German/F-4F skins to represent them in DCS, but they are not being modeled full fidelity. 3 Heatblur Rivet Counting Squad™ VF-11 and VF-31 1988 [WIP] VF-201 & VF-202 [WIP] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechnology Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 I can't speak for the ICE upgrades, but in an interview not too long ago the F-4F was directly attacked as not going to be made because the differences were so minimal they just didn't want to bother. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, Goldeagle365 said: So judging from Iron Mikes FAQ post the birds used here represent the "Classic era" F4Es Yep, but according to the screenshots it does seem to have slats, so no early "hard wing" F-4E. Which is good, as that makes it even more similar to the F-4F (pre-ICE) . The -F (pre-ICE) is really that close to the F-4E that it's understandable HB doesn't want to spend time on the -F variant. With the -E I can easily pretend I'm flying an -F (pre-ICE) model, which being German is my favourite of course. *Edit* Just noted that HB had always planned to release a slatted -E version and not the early hard-wing F-4E: Quote We will be launching two variants of the -E; a “classic era” F-4E (blocks 36-45 with updates retrofitted in 1974 and before, including new slats, DSCG and AGM-65) as well as an upgraded (DMAS) version of the aircraft in one package. Just rereading that again, I'm surprised the F-4E is supposed to have AGM-65 capability pre-DMAS... so far I thought the Mavs only came with DMAS. Edited January 5, 2023 by Volator point out pre-ICE update 2 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremspropeller Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) There's more to the F than what has been noted so far, btw. The F didn't carry MERs (TERs only). Hence the short clips of a LW F-4 carrying a MER on the outboard pylons are purely fictional (read: a-historical). Edited January 5, 2023 by Bremspropeller 1 So ein Feuerball, JUNGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Yes, and of course the initial -F didn't have the analogue weapon control computer the -E (DSCG) had, which makes weapon delivery an experience similar to what we have in the F-5E right now I assume. That said, posts above make me believe the DSCG -E wasn't that far from mentioned experience either (no CCIP for example) and operated with reticle depression and fixed speed/altitude/dive angle, except that it was supposed to have more fancy modes like offset bombing. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremspropeller Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 DSCG should have Dive Toss, which according to Ed Rasimus made a young Lootenant just out of RTU bomb better than him, a Captain with a previous 100-Missions tour in F-105s. DT is similar to the A-4's radar bombing. So ein Feuerball, JUNGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimz Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Are there just F-4E's in the video? Some of the nose shots seem to be fooling me and it makes me think there were B/C/ or D's in there as well. Crossing my fingers they're working on the naval variants concurrently, here's to hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevampedGrunt Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Heimz said: Are there just F-4E's in the video? Some of the nose shots seem to be fooling me and it makes me think there were B/C/ or D's in there as well. Crossing my fingers they're working on the naval variants concurrently, here's to hoping. Highly doubt it. We probably won't see more F-4 variants until the EF release. 4 Current Modules: F-14A/B, F/A-18C, F-16C, F-15E, F-4E, AV-8B, Mirage 2KC, Mirage F-1, Mig-21, AJS-37, A-10C II, F-5E, AH-64D, UH-1H, Ka-50 BS2/BS3, Mi-8MTV2, Mi-24P, SA342, Spitfire, P-47D, BF-109K, Mosquito Tech Pack: WWII Assets Terrain: Syria, Sinai, NTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stackup Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 24 minutes ago, RevampedGrunt said: Highly doubt it. We probably won't see more F-4 variants until the EF release. I'm hoping we don't see more F-4 variants till after the A-6 release since it was supposed to be an unannounced module we know now is the F-4E, then the Eurofighter, and then the A-6E 5 Aircraft: F-14A/B, F/A-18C, F-16C, F-5E, FC3, AV-8B, Mirage 2000C, L-39, Huey, F-86, P-51, P-47, Spitfire, Mosquito, Supercarrier Maps: Persian Gulf, Syria, NTTR, Marianas, Normandy 2, Channel Upcoming Modules Wishlist: A-7E, A-6E, F-4, F-8J, MiG-17F, A-1H, F-100D, Kola Peninsula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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