Pedals Trimmer mode - no setting for pedals without spring or FFB

[TacticalOni]

I've been working with flying the Hind for a while now, and I got pretty good at flying it back when the pedals logic could be set to pedals without springs and FFB as I typically fly helicopters with my MFG xwinds with the spring off and the damper turned up. 

With the new microswitch logic set in on OB (I'm playing on the current patch) my pedals are trimming themselves and resetting the trim will reset my pedals, even though I have the pedal trimmer button setting to "do not trim" 

Right now, I have no way to set my pedals in game to move 1:1 with what my feet are doing, and its kind of odd that I can set my joystick to work 1:1 withh the sim, but the pedals cannot. 

[AeriaGloria]

20 minutes ago, TacticalOni said:

I've been working with flying the Hind for a while now, and I got pretty good at flying it back when the pedals logic could be set to pedals without springs and FFB as I typically fly helicopters with my MFG xwinds with the spring off and the damper turned up. 

With the new microswitch logic set in on OB (I'm playing on the current patch) my pedals are trimming themselves and resetting the trim will reset my pedals, even though I have the pedal trimmer button setting to "do not trim" 

Right now, I have no way to set my pedals in game to move 1:1 with what my feet are doing, and its kind of odd that I can set my joystick to work 1:1 withh the sim, but the pedals cannot. 

Yes, even with no pedal trim set you will still have heading hold in yaw channel auto trim you, and then you need reset trim to solve that. 

We could get rid of it completely by keeping MicroSwitch on all the time, or if ED ever chooses to model the pedal dampener switch shutting off the heading hold when turned off. If my interpretation of public sources is correct 

[TacticalOni]

20 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

Yes, even with no pedal trim set you will still have heading hold in yaw channel auto trim you, and then you need reset trim to solve that. 

Correct, but there used to be an option to bypass the whole thing which was the "Pedals with no springs or FFB" option, which used to be available and isn't now. 

Now, no matter what combination of microswitch logics and pedal trimmer modes, I can't actually get rid of my pedals being trimmed away from what my peripheral is doing. 

[admiki]

3 hours ago, TacticalOni said:

Correct, but there used to be an option to bypass the whole thing which was the "Pedals with no springs or FFB" option, which used to be available and isn't now. 

Now, no matter what combination of microswitch logics and pedal trimmer modes, I can't actually get rid of my pedals being trimmed away from what my peripheral is doing. 

No.

First you need to understand that this is how it behaves in real life. There are microswitches under footholds, which themsleves are mounted in such way that just putting your feet on them will activate microswitches. And then you will only have yaw dampening. Removing your feet from pedals will switch yaw AP to heading hold mode and it will move pedals on its own to maintain heading.

When Hind showed up, it had AP pedal trim mode, then in one of the patches it was removed and then it was introduced again. Since we don't have physical microswitches under our pedals, ED provided is with binding to mimic pressing the microswitches and disabling heading hold mode. Default is Y. So, you either need to hold it down or even better, put it on a physical switch that will hold position. Other options are to use 3rd party programs like Joystick Gremlin to toggle that button or turn off yaw AP channel.

What you are refering to only changes how your controls behave after you press trim button (whether they stop responding, or jump or whatever).

So, in your case, set pedals trimmer button to no trim (because you do not need to trim pedals at all), microswitch logic to off. Pedals trimmer mode is irelevant.

Also, you might want to have trim reset binded, because sometimes you will forget to turn off heading hold and you will need a way to sync your pedals with game.

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by admiki

[TacticalOni]

After some discussion on other channels, I have realized that I have been the victim of a negative learning curve :V 
Also stepping away from the bird for a month or so didn't help matters, as it seems a lot of the changes to the pedal logic happened while I was out

1 hour ago, admiki said:

So, in your case, set pedals trimmer button to no trim (because you do not need to trim pedals at all), microswitch logic to off. Pedals trimmer mode is irelevant.

So what ended up happening was that occasionally I'd have the yaw AP on before the HSI had oriented itself, which was tossing the pedals to one side, I wasn't connecting the dots on that. 
Then I finally settled on what you put above but I set the microswitches to the pedal neutral setting and I leave the Yaw AP off until I'm airborne and that seems to leave the chopper in a state that I most closely recall handling it! 

[zerO_crash]

@BIGNEWY Any chance you could forward this to the team, and ask them about a rudder trim option for us with pedals without springs and FFB - "Microswitch always on/pressed in"?

 

This is a must.

[BIGNEWY]

I will mention it to the team, but as far as I can tell it is working as intended, I have rudder pedals with no spring or ffb. 

 

This video is helpful to try and understand just bare in mind what it does not mention is the pedals move on their own if the YAW AP is on. 

[zerO_crash]

That's really the problem, that the virtual pedals offset due to YAW AP, you cannot correct this, unless you use the pedal-trim button. With a "microswitch always on"-function, you can have the YAW AP engaged, without it offsetting their virtual position. You lose heading-hold functionality, but for any practical purpose, have full control over the pedals. Sadly, it's either or, since we don't have FFB-pedals (yet for me). Currently, I cannot engage YAW AP, as it offsets my virtual pedals. 

 

Been meaning to ask about this some time now, but was afk. It's literally a matter of having the option of "Microswtiches always on".

 

Thanks again!

[AeriaGloria]

6 hours ago, zerO_crash said:

That's really the problem, that the virtual pedals offset due to YAW AP, you cannot correct this, unless you use the pedal-trim button. With a "microswitch always on"-function, you can have the YAW AP engaged, without it offsetting their virtual position. You lose heading-hold functionality, but for any practical purpose, have full control over the pedals. Sadly, it's either or, since we don't have FFB-pedals (yet for me). Currently, I cannot engage YAW AP, as it offsets my virtual pedals. 

 

Been meaning to ask about this some time now, but was afk. It's literally a matter of having the option of "Microswtiches always on".

 

Thanks again!

I’ve just had to bind MicroSwitch to switch or button and always keep it on. Which is nice becuase I can turn it off when I want heading hold. 

[admiki]

30 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said:

I’ve just had to bind MicroSwitch to switch or button and always keep it on. Which is nice becuase I can turn it off when I want heading hold. 

Besides, it's not realistic to have them always on by default.

[zerO_crash]

38 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said:

I’ve just had to bind MicroSwitch to switch or button and always keep it on. Which is nice becuase I can turn it off when I want heading hold. 

I prefer not to use the microswitch-button at all. Since I have no microswitches on my Crosswinds (with dampener mod), it's far better in general to have the option of having them constantly depressed. Reason is, coming out of stable flight with heading hold, you need to retrim the pedals, otherwise they will remain offset. That kills the flight-dynamic in a combat scenario. Furthermore, while theoretically the switches are there in the aircraft, pilots keep their feet practically all the time on the pedals. Thus, until I get my Brunner FFB-pedals (to complement my CLS-E), flight-dynamic wise, it's better to have them engaged at all times.

 

12 minutes ago, admiki said:

Besides, it's not realistic to have them always on by default.

IRL, pilots practically never take their feet off the pedals, and considering the fact that the sim must be adjusted to the hardware used, it makes all sense to have such an option. Having your feet on the pedals all the time (even with the microswitch depressed by default), represents a more realistic approach, than using a bound button to retrim the pedals, resulting in reduced control, effectiveness, rapid actions, etc...

 

I am more for realism than anyone else, however this one mechanic, needs a function to be adjustable for pedals without springs and FFB (even with springs), because as mentioned earlier, pilots rarely, if ever, take their feet off the pedals.

[admiki]

16 minutes ago, zerO_crash said:

I prefer not to use the microswitch-button at all. Since I have no microswitches on my Crosswinds (with dampener mod), it's far better in general to have the option of having them constantly depressed. Reason is, coming out of stable flight with heading hold, you need to retrim the pedals, otherwise they will remain offset. That kills the flight-dynamic in a combat scenario. Furthermore, while theoretically the switches are there in the aircraft, pilots keep their feet practically all the time on the pedals. Thus, until I get my Brunner FFB-pedals (to complement my CLS-E), flight-dynamic wise, it's better to have them engaged at all times.

 

IRL, pilots practically never take their feet off the pedals, and considering the fact that the sim must be adjusted to the hardware used, it makes all sense to have such an option. Having your feet on the pedals all the time (even with the microswitch depressed by default), represents a more realistic approach, than using a bound button to retrim the pedals, resulting in reduced control, effectiveness, rapid actions, etc...

 

I am more for realism than anyone else, however this one mechanic, needs a function to be adjustable for pedals without springs and FFB (even with springs), because as mentioned earlier, pilots rarely, if ever, take their feet off the pedals.

I have MFG too and  use axis to button to have microswitches on

Edited March 22, 2023 by admiki

[AeriaGloria]

23 minutes ago, zerO_crash said:

I prefer not to use the microswitch-button at all. Since I have no microswitches on my Crosswinds (with dampener mod), it's far better in general to have the option of having them constantly depressed. Reason is, coming out of stable flight with heading hold, you need to retrim the pedals, otherwise they will remain offset. That kills the flight-dynamic in a combat scenario. Furthermore, while theoretically the switches are there in the aircraft, pilots keep their feet practically all the time on the pedals. Thus, until I get my Brunner FFB-pedals (to complement my CLS-E), flight-dynamic wise, it's better to have them engaged at all times.

 

IRL, pilots practically never take their feet off the pedals, and considering the fact that the sim must be adjusted to the hardware used, it makes all sense to have such an option. Having your feet on the pedals all the time (even with the microswitch depressed by default), represents a more realistic approach, than using a bound button to retrim the pedals, resulting in reduced control, effectiveness, rapid actions, etc...

 

I am more for realism than anyone else, however this one mechanic, needs a function to be adjustable for pedals without springs and FFB (even with springs), because as mentioned earlier, pilots rarely, if ever, take their feet off the pedals.

You don’t need to re trim coming out of heading hold if the displacement mode (heading changes more then 9 degrees in heading hold mode) is never activated. Basically, if you don’t change heading much in heading hold, you don’t need to re trim unless you set micro Switch as pedal trim. 
 

i just use switch in throttle and always leave it on. Hardly ever use heading hold mode 

Edited March 22, 2023 by AeriaGloria

[zerO_crash]

26 minutes ago, admiki said:

I have MFG too and  use axis to button to have microswitches on

 

Well I prefer something more specific, than having a button meant for pedals, to be added to the HOTAS, or even keyboard. It's a function that is going to be engaged by me anyways, until I get proper FFB-pedals. If one stands between chosing to have full control of the aircraft at all times, at the expense of reduced AP functionality when in longitudnal flight, then so be it. It is more logical to have it that way, than to seek the relief of AP, and at the same time have the AP in in some cases interfere with the pilot's input. And even if you use the an additional button for microswitches, it is wrong to have it on HOTAS, as opposed to feet. Adds an extra step, which is unnecessary. Not something that you want in combat.

 

24 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said:

You don’t need to re trim coming out of heading hold if the displacement mode (heading changes more then 9 degrees in heading hold mode) is never activated. Basically, if you don’t change heading much in heading hold, you don’t need to re trim unless you set micro Switch as pedal trim. 
 

i just use switch in throttle and always leave it on. Hardly ever use heading hold mode 

 

That's ny current issue with the system. While in some cases it won't retrim your pedals, it will otherwise do it if you happen to perform a combat-maneuver. I might work for some, as mentioned above, you trade heading-hold functionality (relief to the pilot on long flights), for an aircraft that will require you to hold heading, but with the advantage of constant control of the aircraft. One of the biggest problems with the current system, are situations where you need to diverge from your current flight-plan by performing combat-maneuvers, resulting in a shortest possible time to hover (e.g.). Do that without retrimming, and you will most likely not have pedal-range to counter main rotor torque. This is not the way to do it.

[admiki]

21 minutes ago, zerO_crash said:

Well I prefer something more specific, than having a button meant for pedals, to be added to the HOTAS, or even keyboard. It's a function that is going to be engaged by me anyways, until I get proper FFB-pedals. If one stands between chosing to have full control of the aircraft at all times, at the expense of reduced AP functionality when in longitudnal flight, then so be it. It is more logical to have it that way, than to seek the relief of AP, and at the same time have the AP in in some cases interfere with the pilot's input. And even if you use the an additional button for microswitches, it is wrong to have it on HOTAS, as opposed to feet. Adds an extra step, which is unnecessary. Not something that you want in combat.

Who said anything about having button on HOTAS? I use axis to button function on my footrests to simulate microswitches. It doesn't get more realistic than that.

[AeriaGloria]

54 minutes ago, zerO_crash said:

Well I prefer something more specific, than having a button meant for pedals, to be added to the HOTAS, or even keyboard. It's a function that is going to be engaged by me anyways, until I get proper FFB-pedals. If one stands between chosing to have full control of the aircraft at all times, at the expense of reduced AP functionality when in longitudnal flight, then so be it. It is more logical to have it that way, than to seek the relief of AP, and at the same time have the AP in in some cases interfere with the pilot's input. And even if you use the an additional button for microswitches, it is wrong to have it on HOTAS, as opposed to feet. Adds an extra step, which is unnecessary. Not something that you want in combat.

 

That's ny current issue with the system. While in some cases it won't retrim your pedals, it will otherwise do it if you happen to perform a combat-maneuver. I might work for some, as mentioned above, you trade heading-hold functionality (relief to the pilot on long flights), for an aircraft that will require you to hold heading, but with the advantage of constant control of the aircraft. One of the biggest problems with the current system, are situations where you need to diverge from your current flight-plan by performing combat-maneuvers, resulting in a shortest possible time to hover (e.g.). Do that without retrimming, and you will most likely not have pedal-range to counter main rotor torque. This is not the way to do it.

Admiki has their pedal toe brakes so that MicroSwitch is pressed when toe brakes aren’t pressed. And released when toe brakes pushed. That’s the best that can be done with current hardware to emulate the function. 
 

Everyone has different standards and feelings on what is realistic or immersion breaking. I personally have no problem putting a microswtich binding for the pedals on my throttle when I have no other options, but I understand not everyone is the same. 

I just make sure that when I use heading hold I don’t let it change heading 9 degrees. It would be great to have an option that says “never automatically trim pedals.”
 

Anyways have fun. This thread was started by one of my squadron mates who didn’t realize that heading hold trimming pedals was re introduced after being gone a while. I would recomend if you want ED to see that this is desired post in the wishlist section and get people to reply 

Edited March 22, 2023 by AeriaGloria

[Chops]

I am re-learning the Mi-24P and having a lot of difficulty.  I have read through this thread a few times, but am still having trouble with the special settings and understanding what is going on with the helicopter.  Some of the settings seem redundant and contradictory. 

Why hasn't a manual been released that describes all of the special settings in detail?  This module has been out for over 4 years and no manual has been released!  This should be considered totally unacceptable by Eagle Dynamics.

It would be very helpful if there was an option to return all of the settings to default.  I uninstalled and then re-installed the module but it kept my special settings.

I want to have the heading hold enabled for cruise flight between waypoints, but also want to have full control of the pedals when maneuvering.

Attached is a screenshot of my settings; are these correct for what I want?

[admiki]

Unfortunatelly, no setting really works for what you want.

Even the option you selected will not work in prolonged turn, unless you wiggle pedals, because after some time heading hold will turn back on. Your best option is to bind heading hold button (I think it's "Y"), set microswitch to  off and use it like that.

Another option you can use (which is closest to how it works in reality) is if you have foot brakes on your pedals. You remap your axis to heading hold button and fly it.

Edited April 22 by admiki

[Chops]

Thanks for your reply -  with the settings I posted, heading hold does not work.  What are the proper settings to get heading hold to work?  I have turned off and then back on - the yaw autopilot and also reset trim, but it still doesn't work.

"Another option you can use (which is closest to how it works in reality) is if you have foot brakes on your pedals. You remap your axis to heading hold button and fly it."

Sorry I am not sure what you mean.  I do have toe brakes on my pedals.  After mapping this are you saying to press toe brakes to get heading hold?

[admiki]

40 minutes ago, Chops said:

Sorry I am not sure what you mean.  I do have toe brakes on my pedals.  After mapping this are you saying to press toe brakes to get heading hold?

Actually, in real life, pressing on pedals would disable heading hold, lifting your feet would engage heading hold. Anyway, if you want to use it that way, remap one of toe brake axis to a keypress. One problem this would bring is that AP would trim pedals to maintain heading, which then might leave you with insuficient pedal movement,you would need to reset pedal trim, but you can't reset just pedals, pressing trim reset would also reset your cyclic.

Speaking of, I am really not sure you need heading hold. Mi-24 is extremely stable in forward flight. If you really want that functionality, you can hold heading (more precisely, it would hold course over ground, not heading itself) by using route channel of autopilot. It will hold course by banking as needed, so it won't move pedals.

[jojojung]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb Chops:

Thanks for your reply -  with the settings I posted, heading hold does not work.  What are the proper settings to get heading hold to work?  I have turned off and then back on - the yaw autopilot and also reset trim, but it still doesn't work.

"Another option you can use (which is closest to how it works in reality) is if you have foot brakes on your pedals. You remap your axis to heading hold button and fly it."

Sorry I am not sure what you mean.  I do have toe brakes on my pedals.  After mapping this are you saying to press toe brakes to get heading hold?

If you want to use this option you should bind the microswitch key to your paddles not the yaw AP channel. If you deactivate the AP you don't have yaw stabilisation too. 

[zerO_crash]

5 hours ago, Chops said:

Thanks for your reply -  with the settings I posted, heading hold does not work.  What are the proper settings to get heading hold to work?  I have turned off and then back on - the yaw autopilot and also reset trim, but it still doesn't work.

"Another option you can use (which is closest to how it works in reality) is if you have foot brakes on your pedals. You remap your axis to heading hold button and fly it."

Sorry I am not sure what you mean.  I do have toe brakes on my pedals.  After mapping this are you saying to press toe brakes to get heading hold?

 

Heading hold AP in Mi-24, is operating and holding heading within its limits, only when the AP channel is engaged, microswitches on pedals not engaged (feet off the pedals - depressing the microswitches puts the heading hold AP in standby), having the option "Pedals Auto Move" in Special Settings enabled. In all practical terms, you need one more thing - FFB pedals.

 

If you don't have FFB pedals, then the AP will move your virtual pedals without you (potentially) knowing, and in the worst case, result in reduced range of rudder pedals. You run into the problem, that was described at the start of the thread, and which many people don't get. As a worst case scenario, if the AP trims your virtual pedals to the left, and you perform a combat maneuver such as quick stop, then your maximum physical pedal right (to arrest descent while raising collective), might only result in as little as 50% virtual right pedal - you won't be able to counter the torque from the increased collective to arrest descent and down you go. 

 

There are two general ways about this, given that you don't have FFB pedals, which solves this deficiency;

 

a) You want to preserve the AP heading hold as a function, you enable "Pedals Auto Move" in the Special Settings, like you have it now. Finally, you bind the rudder pedal microswitches to a button that suits you. Whenever you want the AP heading hold to be operating and actively holding the heading for you, you have to release the switch/toggle it off. At that point, the AP heading hold will trim your virtual pedals as it needs, and within boundary. You, will have to remember, that when you want to take over rudder pedals and press in/toggle the microswitches, the position of your physical rudder pedals will not match that of the virtual ones. Solution - very quick maximum deflection right and left (results in a "bump", poor airmanship), or reset trim (use a function that does not exist IRL in the aircraft). The problem here again, is that your cyclic will also be returned to neutral, so a "bump" in the flight envelope will happen, whether you want to or not.

 

b) You realize that in reality, even though the function to hold heading is there, no pilot is ever taking his feet off the pedals, unless he hands over the controls to his/hers gunner/co-pilot. Even if you want to rest your feet, feet-on-pedals is the least stressful position (compared to cramping them closer to the body). I have heard many (chief amongst Russian pilots), either directly or indirectly hint at the fact that whoever flies an aircraft, maintains full control of it. Military aircraft are simply not flown the way commercial aircraft are. Thus, if realism is of importance to you, than in-fact, the AP heading hold is engaged as per SOP due to security (pilot faint, etc...), but it's practically never used. In that case, you can simply disable the "Pedals Auto Move", and have the whole AP heading hold logic off, as if microswitches were pressed in all the time. You also avoid the problematic with having your virtual pedals offset from the position of the real ones. 

 

That's basically what it stands at.

[jojojung]

vor 21 Stunden schrieb zerO_crash:

 

Heading hold AP in Mi-24, is operating and holding heading within its limits, only when the AP channel is engaged, microswitches on pedals not engaged (feet off the pedals - depressing the microswitches puts the heading hold AP in standby), having the option "Pedals Auto Move" in Special Settings enabled. In all practical terms, you need one more thing - FFB pedals.

 

If you don't have FFB pedals, then the AP will move your virtual pedals without you (potentially) knowing, and in the worst case, result in reduced range of rudder pedals. You run into the problem, that was described at the start of the thread, and which many people don't get. As a worst case scenario, if the AP trims your virtual pedals to the left, and you perform a combat maneuver such as quick stop, then your maximum physical pedal right (to arrest descent while raising collective), might only result in as little as 50% virtual right pedal - you won't be able to counter the torque from the increased collective to arrest descent and down you go. 

 

There are two general ways about this, given that you don't have FFB pedals, which solves this deficiency;

 

a) You want to preserve the AP heading hold as a function, you enable "Pedals Auto Move" in the Special Settings, like you have it now. Finally, you bind the rudder pedal microswitches to a button that suits you. Whenever you want the AP heading hold to be operating and actively holding the heading for you, you have to release the switch/toggle it off. At that point, the AP heading hold will trim your virtual pedals as it needs, and within boundary. You, will have to remember, that when you want to take over rudder pedals and press in/toggle the microswitches, the position of your physical rudder pedals will not match that of the virtual ones. Solution - very quick maximum deflection right and left (results in a "bump", poor airmanship), or reset trim (use a function that does not exist IRL in the aircraft). The problem here again, is that your cyclic will also be returned to neutral, so a "bump" in the flight envelope will happen, whether you want to or not.

 

b) You realize that in reality, even though the function to hold heading is there, no pilot is ever taking his feet off the pedals, unless he hands over the controls to his/hers gunner/co-pilot. Even if you want to rest your feet, feet-on-pedals is the least stressful position (compared to cramping them closer to the body). I have heard many (chief amongst Russian pilots), either directly or indirectly hint at the fact that whoever flies an aircraft, maintains full control of it. Military aircraft are simply not flown the way commercial aircraft are. Thus, if realism is of importance to you, than in-fact, the AP heading hold is engaged as per SOP due to security (pilot faint, etc...), but it's practically never used. In that case, you can simply disable the "Pedals Auto Move", and have the whole AP heading hold logic off, as if microswitches were pressed in all the time. You also avoid the problematic with having your virtual pedals offset from the position of the real ones. 

 

That's basically what it stands at.

Thats practical but I think you miss in b) that if the microswitches are pressed and the Yaw AP is on it will funktion as a damper/stabilizer. When the microswitches are not pressed (feets are off the padles) it will go in heading hold.
If you turn off the yaw AP completly you will not have the stablization / dampening effekt to the HIND FM. 
But you are right, the damper / stabilizer is not realy needed in the Hind but many people dont get the difference in the two modes of the yaw AP.

[zerO_crash]

34 minutes ago, jojojung said:

Thats practical but I think you miss in b) that if the microswitches are pressed and the Yaw AP is on it will funktion as a damper/stabilizer. When the microswitches are not pressed (feets are off the padles) it will go in heading hold.
If you turn off the yaw AP completly you will not have the stablization / dampening effekt to the HIND FM. 
But you are right, the damper / stabilizer is not realy needed in the Hind but many people dont get the difference in the two modes of the yaw AP.

Re-read what I wrote:

 

22 hours ago, zerO_crash said:

(feet off the pedals - depressing the microswitches puts the heading hold AP in standby)

I state that microswitches put the "heading hold AP" in standby. I make, however, no mention of the dampening in that statement, and for good reason - in the Mi-24, the heading hold AP is entirely disconnected from the dampening fucntion (there is no stabilization, this is not Ka-50).

 

I won't link Russian manuals, as you'd likely not understand them anyways, but here is a picture showing which switch in the cockpit operates the yaw damper (image is from Chuck's manual for simplicity):

 

 

When talking about the Mi-8/Mi-24/Ka-50/+++, you have to be very careful not to mix the systems up. They have their differences and nuances, with Ka-50 being entirely different than Mi-8/-24, which have some overlap. 
 

EDIT: To correct you and make it clear - Mi-24P has yaw dampener actuated regardless of the operation of the heading hold AP. Provided that the damper is engaged (default position), it operates all the time, whether the heading hold AP is on/standby/off.

Edited April 23 by zerO_crash

[jojojung]

vor 15 Stunden schrieb zerO_crash:

Re-read what I wrote:

 

I state that microswitches put the "heading hold AP" in standby. I make, however, no mention of the dampening in that statement, and for good reason - in the Mi-24, the heading hold AP is entirely disconnected from the dampening fucntion (there is no stabilization, this is not Ka-50).

 

I won't link Russian manuals, as you'd likely not understand them anyways, but here is a picture showing which switch in the cockpit operates the yaw damper (image is from Chuck's manual for simplicity):

 

 

When talking about the Mi-8/Mi-24/Ka-50/+++, you have to be very careful not to mix the systems up. They have their differences and nuances, with Ka-50 being entirely different than Mi-8/-24, which have some overlap. 
 

EDIT: To correct you and make it clear - Mi-24P has yaw dampener actuated regardless of the operation of the heading hold AP. Provided that the damper is engaged (default position), it operates all the time, whether the heading hold AP is on/standby/off.

Thanks for clarafication. That was not known to me. You say the stabilization mode is on even when the yaw AP is completly off, right? Before my stand of information from @AeriaGloria Autopilot Guide sounds a bit different. There it sounds more then the stabilization mode is only active, when the yaw AP is on. But its not 100% clear in this guide. It left space for your explaintation, that stabilization is on all the time no matter of the yaw AP engaged or disengaged.
In your logic the microswitches are only there to turn the yaw AP with its only heading hold function on and off because stabilization mode is on all the time, right?


"Section B: Section B, Part I: The system in reality and Operation.

A. When feet are on pedals in Mi-8 (micro switches pressed) the
heading hold does nothing. In Mi-24P, the Yaw channel enters
Stabilization mode.

B. when feet are off pedals in Mi-8 (micro switches released), the
yaw AP goes into heading hold mode and maintains heading using

its 20% authority (18% in Mi-24P), and when it reaches this limit it
will use the hydraulic damper in the pedals SDV-5000-OA (which
usually just slows down pedal movement) to trim the pedals for you
to maintain heading.
The only difference between Mi-8 Yaw channel with Mi-24P in
reality is that, when the yaw AP is not in heading hold and feet are
on pedals (micro switches pressed), Yaw AP goes into a
Stabilization Mode."

 

Edited April 24 by jojojung