no bug Cannot shoot gun and IR missiles

[Leviathan667]

Hi, 

Since yesterday I can shoot neither gun nor launch ir missiles nor rockets. I did not attempt to shoot EM missiles or bombs. Before yesterday, it worked. Meanwhile, I did not update the game. Nothing changed.

The steps I undertake:

• Master arm switch to on
• C+M 
• Fire

A green light on the side of the sight appears. The sight itself changes and shows the gun reticle.

I also tried the following:

• Master arm switch to on
• Canon air
• Fire

AND 

• Master arm switch to on
• Gun 300-600m 
• Fire

 

For rockets and missiles, I follow the required steps per kneeboard. 

E.g. for IR missiles:

• Master arm switch to on
• C+M 
• Fire

OR 

• Master arm switch to on
• EXT.D or G
• R550 or SW missile switch
• Fire

 

BUT

When I press the gun button on the joystick, nothing happens. In the control menu, when I press the gun button, I am shown the gun button action.

Same goes with bombs, rochets missiles and sight recorder.

This issue is reproducible in every mission I fly in the training menu and the quick missions.

I attached three trk files.

 

Thanks for your helop

Mirage_F1CE_lesson_04_ground_attack_guns_rockets_EN.miz_12012023_19-57.trk Mirage_F1CE_lesson_04_ground_attack_guns_rockets_EN2.miz_12012023_19-57.trk Mirage_F1CE_lesson_04_ground_attack_guns_rockets_EN3.miz_12012023_19-57.trk

[Leviathan667]

I kept trying different settings and could narrow down the issue.

 

1. I restarted the PC an used track IR instead of VR. And tried to fire the gun and it worked.

2. Restarted the PC and tried against in VR. No luck.

Then I checked the settings and it can be back to me that the day before yesterday, in "Special", I unchecked "simplified firing safety logic"

I checked it again. Then loaded the Caucasus dogfight with canon mission and could fire the gun. 

To sum up:

• If ""simplified firing safety logic" is not checked, it is possible to fire the gun with when not in VR and not possible to fire the gun when in VR
• If "simplified firing safety logic" is checked, it is possible to fire the gun in non VR and VR.

 

 

 

[fausete]

Hi @Leviathan667,

So basically the gun has 3 safety 'steps'. One is the master arm switch. The others are the trigger, which normally covers the weapon release button, and a further switch in the stick. Simplified arming logic basically allows you to bypass these 2 last safety steps (as in DCS it's a bit of a faff to deal with them).

The issue you're having doesn't sound like something related to VR or IR. Would be great if you could just test it straight away: double check that the 'simplified firing logic' box is checked and then load IR and VR and see if it works in both cases. Then do the same with the box unchecked.

[Leviathan667]

Hi @fausete i did just that. See below:

10 hours ago, Leviathan667 said:

I kept trying different settings and could narrow down the issue.

 

1. I restarted the PC an used track IR instead of VR. And tried to fire the gun and it worked.

2. Restarted the PC and tried against in VR. No luck.

Then I checked the settings and it can be back to me that the day before yesterday, in "Special", I unchecked "simplified firing safety logic"

I checked it again. Then loaded the Caucasus dogfight with canon mission and could fire the gun. 

To sum up:

• If ""simplified firing safety logic" is not checked, it is possible to fire the gun with when not in VR and not possible to fire the gun when in VR
• If "simplified firing safety logic" is checked, it is possible to fire the gun in non VR and VR.

 

 

 

 

[fausete]

Hi @Leviathan667,

Please also check your controls assigned to VR buttons or TrackIR. We are not able to reproduce what you described, that's why I asked to repeat the tests.

[LordOrion]

Try set master arm to "TEST": Looks like Aerges swapped the ARM/TEST position.

[Vibora]

3 hours ago, LordOrion said:

Try set master arm to "TEST": Looks like Aerges swapped the ARM/TEST position.

No, we didn't.

In this build, weapons can be delivered when the switch is in ON or TEST position. In fact it should be only possible when it is in the ON position, according to SME. But that's another issue.

[Daver523]

Today was my first day trying the "EE".

I'm have the exact issue as above. Sidewinders, 530/550s; I can get a lock and nothing will happen. In dogfight mode I get the Aim9 growl and press to launch key and the piper does the gun piper does the 300/600 swap. 

[Daver523]

My apologies, key bind got swapped on my end with "missile unlock" and "missile record".

[Japo32]

I cannot make it fire (The gun) without "simplified firing safety logic"

1.MasterARM on

2. Gun Firing Trigger UNFOLDED

3. Select A/A Gun in weapons or just C+M or SW Rbutton

4. Fire with trigger.. don't do anything. 

With Simplified no problem.

[kontiuka]

1 hour ago, Japo32 said:

I cannot make it fire (The gun) without "simplified firing safety logic"

Did you remove the safety pin?

[Japo32]

if safety pin is Gun Firing Trigger UNFOLDED then yes. If it is the parachute pilot jettison, I just tried with plane in flight start so I suppose it was removed.

[gnomechild]

3 hours ago, Japo32 said:

if safety pin is Gun Firing Trigger UNFOLDED then yes. If it is the parachute pilot jettison, I just tried with plane in flight start so I suppose it was removed.

No, there is a second safety only for the gun. I forget the exact name of the bind but it'll show up if you search "gun" I think 

[kontiuka]

4 hours ago, Japo32 said:

if safety pin is Gun Firing Trigger UNFOLDED then yes. If it is the parachute pilot jettison, I just tried with plane in flight start so I suppose it was removed.

 

59 minutes ago, gnomechild said:

No, there is a second safety only for the gun. I forget the exact name of the bind but it'll show up if you search "gun" I think 

The 2 binds are "Gun Firing Safety - IN / Gun Firing Safety - OUT"

[Japo32]

You are right! Thanks!