Mission 8 - play trough

[Lt_Jaeger]

Hanging in there.

 

Mission 8 is all about 4 v 4. No big bloopers I guess, but also not the best performance.

 

 

Edited February 23, 2023 by Lt_Jaeger

[Jayhawk1971]

12:06 in your video:

I also had Chip drop the lock after turning from 310 to 320 (as ordered by Paco). "Center the 'T'". "What 'T' ?!?"  ( I assume that the targeted enemy element went into the notch? That's how I interpret Paco's "Spaghetti" in the briefing).

I was a little confused though whether the mission script expected me to shoot at that point (Paco addressed the whole flight, not the second element specifically), but I assumed since he didn't shoot, I wasn't supposed to, either, so I just ignored the dropped lock. That's also how I interpreted the tactical situation: second element Han Solos (= shoots first  ), lead element shoots later in the timeline when our assigned targets recommit.

Interestingly, I defended in the same direction as Paco does (to the right), but you notching left actually gave you much better angles on your bandit.    I'll keep that in mind for my inevitable second play-through.

Edited February 23, 2023 by Jayhawk1971

[DD_Fenrir]

1 hour ago, Jayhawk1971 said:

"Center the 'T'". "What 'T' ?!?" 

The inverted 'T' symbol that appears within your VDI when you have an STT lock. A dark green ASE (Allowbale Steering Error) circle is also generated behind the 'T' that changes size depending on range, target aspect, closure etc.

Your best Pk with any given weapon will coincide when you fly to position the 'T' dead centre of the ASE circle; it will help you account for lead (yes A2A missiles benefit from lead also, not just guns) and imcrease the liklihood of your weapon hitting your target.

[Jayhawk1971]

vor 58 Minuten schrieb DD_Fenrir:

The inverted 'T' symbol that appears within your VDI when you have an STT lock. A dark green ASE (Allowbale Steering Error) circle is also generated behind the 'T' that changes size depending on range, target aspect, closure etc.

Your best Pk with any given weapon will coincide when you fly to position the 'T' dead centre of the ASE circle; it will help you account for lead (yes A2A missiles benefit from lead also, not just guns) and imcrease the liklihood of your weapon hitting your target.

LOL, thanks for the well-meant explanation, but you kinda missed the joke. Have you played the BVR missions yet, as that would make the context more clear? Maybe it was too much of an "inside" joke. 

I know what the "T" is for, it's that Paco orders the flight to "center the T", when there is no "T" due to the lock having been dropped. Hence my "what T?" joke.

Edited February 23, 2023 by Jayhawk1971

[DD_Fenrir]

2 hours ago, Jayhawk1971 said:

LOL, thanks for the well-meant explanation, but you kinda missed the joke. Have you played the BVR missions yet, as that would make the context more clear? Maybe it was too much of an "inside" joke. 

I know what the "T" is for, it's that Paco orders the flight to "center the T", when there is no "T" due to the lock having been dropped. Hence my "what T?" joke.

 

Ah, well, if it helps some other neophyte F-14 driver then it’s done it’s job but, fair point, how you centre the T when there ain’t no T…

 

Edited February 23, 2023 by DD_Fenrir

[Jayhawk1971]

 

vor 5 Minuten schrieb DD_Fenrir:

Ah, well, if it helps some other neophyte F-14 driver then it’s done it’s job but, fair point, how you centre the T when there ain’t no T…

I'm sure it does, and let me again stress that I do appreciate the helpful sentiment, that you were willing to take the time to explain something.  

[Reflected]

Paco doesn’t know if Chig drops the lock, he’s in the other jet. Also, you don’t just fly IFR like on approach control, you also look at your TID and make sure the target stays withinh gimbal limits. It’s a bit of a juggle sometimes but that’s what the training is for. 

if Chig drops the lock he’ll try to relock when you turn in but that takes precious time. 

[sze5003]

I haven't passed this one yet, run 1 went fine for me. Run 2 Chig always drops the lock if I roll to 320. Even staying too long on 310 you have to watch the TID and correct more to the left once you see the targets go too far abeam.

My understanding is you do want to fire your phoenix here and then crank right but this means not just following what Paco says, basically think outside the box which also means do whatever you need to keep the target locked.

[Reflected]

Yes

[sze5003]

I still am having a lot of trouble with this one. Yesterday I was seeing some odd behavior with the F16's not merging into me, they kept flying off in the distance past me. That and Chig kept dropping lock. No mods installed so I did a long clean and repair and it seemed to have helped. But 3 times now I've been shot down before the merge even if I notch right when Paco says notching. I come back left when I hear the tone go away but then it comes back and I ended up getting shot down before the merge.

Uploading a track since I have no idea what I may be doing incorrectly but it feels like in this track I at least got killed after the merge? Hardest part after the notch is acquiring a lock manually since Chig is no help here. Not giving up but probably will take a break.

f14a.trk

Edited March 7, 2024 by sze5003