missing reference data F-16 and AIM-120 HOJ?

[Burner1111]

Me and my buddies were flying today a training mission against SU-27s and we got jammed many times.

One of my buddy had F-15, others had Vipers. I know that F-15 module (and a real jet I'm guessing?) has the capability to use -120's HOJ and he saw this opportunity to launch but does the Viper have that same capability, as I could not do it and find it? At least I have no information, how to use the HOJ - I went through the documentations after the training. Is the boresight/maddog launch similar on Viper or it isn't in Viper's capability, when being jammed?

Cheers!

[Furiz]

As far as I know it is AMRAAM capability, HARM has HOJ too, but atm we don't have this implemented for F-16 and I don't know if we will have this in the future. I have asked for HARM HOJ and fuzing options but I got no answer.

 

[Burner1111]

Thanks for the feedback @Furiz.

Yeah, you are fully right, it's the missiles capabilities but as I understand, pilot still needs to give some kind of input conformation (e.g. launch permission) through some kind of Viper system (meaning, to see that missile is tracking as HOJ), so it should not be only the missile?

But you are fully right on that we have no idea, is this planned to be implemented nor is it even capable. Maybe ED could comment on that, they have much better overview what that block Viper has or does not? At least I do not remember that this was in the future implementation list.

I really hope that HARM HOJ will be done too, seems very logic to have.

[silverdevil]

3 hours ago, Burner1111 said:

Thanks for the feedback @Furiz.

Yeah, you are fully right, it's the missiles capabilities but as I understand, pilot still needs to give some kind of input conformation (e.g. launch permission) through some kind of Viper system (meaning, to see that missile is tracking as HOJ), so it should not be only the missile?

But you are fully right on that we have no idea, is this planned to be implemented nor is it even capable. Maybe ED could comment on that, they have much better overview what that block Viper has or does not? At least I do not remember that this was in the future implementation list.

I really hope that HARM HOJ will be done too, seems very logic to have.

interestingly enough, there is a quite thorough post about the AIM-120 specifically. no response here either. it sometimes seems that the developers do not get enough time to actually use the game and witness some of the intricacies. 

 

Edited March 7, 2023 by silverdevil
something changed to sometimes

[Burner1111]

Thanks @SilverDevil, I can concur on this unfortunately. I see ED has not responded too

There are still many intricacies that slowly starts me (and my buddies) to get away or put on hold Viper module. Especially repeating and reappearing bugs. Yesterday I discovered, how different is ECM XMIT mode between DCS and BMS and I do not see similarities!? Why different ways, different quality? Makes me sad that we get "easy implementations" or "half baked".

Btw, that post was very interesting to read, thanks for sharing this, as it opened the eye that -120 HOJ is basically not very well implemented and does not give any advantage on situation.

Oh-well, it is what it is then.

[Furiz]

In regards to HOJ, there are many missiles that have that feature but I don't think DCS has that implemented on much of those. I watched some video from Spudknocker (I think it was him, maybe I'm wrong), where he was using jammer in Viper vs SA-2 and he said that SA-2 has HOJ (don't know if SA-2 really has HOJ capability or not, he didn't state where he got the info).

I can't research that much on every possible system, but I guess it's not rare to see HOJ capability.

I really hope ED can deliver such features, not just HOJ but other stuff like IFF squawk codes etc...

after all Wags said that Electonic attack will be playing a bigger role in DCS in 2022.

I think that atm it is faintly implemented at best, we have 3 ECM Pods that have no difference between them, given that it was said in December 2022 I can understand why but I hope to see more in the future.

[llOPPOTATOll]

There should be a way to designate jamming contacts and shoot on them in HOJ

[bop1701]

Does the F-16 have Home On Jam capability, and if so what is the procedure.  From what I've found here I don't think so but would like a definite answer.  Thanks!

[Burner1111]

On 3/7/2023 at 10:45 PM, Furiz said:

In regards to HOJ, there are many missiles that have that feature but I don't think DCS has that implemented on much of those. I watched some video from Spudknocker (I think it was him, maybe I'm wrong), where he was using jammer in Viper vs SA-2 and he said that SA-2 has HOJ (don't know if SA-2 really has HOJ capability or not, he didn't state where he got the info).

I can't research that much on every possible system, but I guess it's not rare to see HOJ capability.

I really hope ED can deliver such features, not just HOJ but other stuff like IFF squawk codes etc...

after all Wags said that Electonic attack will be playing a bigger role in DCS in 2022.

I think that atm it is faintly implemented at best, we have 3 ECM Pods that have no difference between them, given that it was said in December 2022 I can understand why but I hope to see more in the future.

Hey lad, sorry for later respond.

"I really hope ED can deliver such features, not just HOJ but other stuff like IFF squawk codes etc..." me too!! I hope ED will not drop these because it's "difficult" or "no info provided". I'm sure something can always be implemented.

"I think that atm it is faintly implemented at best, we have 3 ECM Pods that have no difference between them, given that it was said in December 2022 I can understand why but I hope to see more in the future." exactly! ATC is awful, useless. It's a mess. But they promised to implement a new fully working ATC. Thanks to multithreading launch, that could happen (but not soon :P)

7 hours ago, bop1701 said:

Does the F-16 have Home On Jam capability, and if so what is the procedure.  From what I've found here I don't think so but would like a definite answer.  Thanks!

Me too! I cannot find any reference, at least searching internet (or it's difficult). Maybe F-16.net could give something, there are a punch of smart lads and talks there about the real Viper.

[llOPPOTATOll]

14 hours ago, bop1701 said:

Does the F-16 have Home On Jam capability

Yes, but not implemented in dcs