Collective curve setting...

[Hootman9104]

Just wondering what others have it set at.

Since day 1 I've never been happy with the way my collective works, the percentages jump around as you begin to pull collective, then settles down as your push past 25% or so. 

Also has never seemed correct, way too sensitive in the midrange, and it feels as if there isn't a smooth percentage torque increase through the full travel.

So I think I've finally got it set where I like it, using a curve of 25. This seems to make the collective nice and responsive from about the 1/4-3/4 range of my HOTAS throttle, which equates to about the 30% to 100% torque (again, on my throttle) in that middle range of the throttle travel. It's now very nice, not sensitive at all and very smooth transitions from 30% to 100%, easy to fine tune and maintain a hover. Of course if for some crazy reason you reach the upper end of that curve, it does advance way too much, but if I'm flying correctly to begin with, I shouldn't be in that position anyway.

So just wondering what others have their collective control settings at? The 25% curve seems best to me, with X and Y at 100% (I've tried setting the Y here and there, but kinda feel like that needs to stay at 100%). 

Also, does anyone have a HOTAS where the throttle has a "100%" notch (detectable as you throttle up), and then past the notch is considered "afterburner" (I had a HOTAS once that had that, can't remember what type it was). If so, does the 100% throttle notch correlate to 100% torque in the Apache, and is past the torque past 100%.

[Floyd1212]

2 minutes ago, Hootman9104 said:

Since day 1 I've never been happy with the way my collective works, the percentages jump around as you begin to pull collective, then settles down as your push past 25% or so. 

Also has never seemed correct, way too sensitive in the midrange, and it feels as if there isn't a smooth percentage torque increase through the full travel.

Just so you don't think it is a problem with your setup, that is the way the torque display works in the Apache.

Think of it more like a reading of how much strain the rotor system is under at any given moment, as opposed to a linear throttle position, like you would associate with the gas pedal on a car.  As the aircraft begins to accelerate in the direction you want and comes up to speed, the strain on the rotor system is reduced and the torque drops.

I personally don't use a curve on my collective, but I think whatever setting you get used to, your muscle memory will eventually take over and it will become second nature.

[Hootman9104]

16 minutes ago, Floyd1212 said:

Just so you don't think it is a problem with your setup, that is the way the torque display works in the Apache.

Think of it more like a reading of how much strain the rotor system is under at any given moment, as opposed to a linear throttle position, like you would associate with the gas pedal on a car.  As the aircraft begins to accelerate in the direction you want and comes up to speed, the strain on the rotor system is reduced and the torque drops.

I personally don't use a curve on my collective, but I think whatever setting you get used to, your muscle memory will eventually take over and it will become second nature.

Oh I understand torque, I did 20 years Army Aviation (UH-60). 

Just not a fan of how the system represents the collective action with the throttle. Other sims, like EECH, have a nice linear progression, it's not jumpy or sensitive at all. 

[admiki]

4 hours ago, Hootman9104 said:

Oh I understand torque, I did 20 years Army Aviation (UH-60). 

Just not a fan of how the system represents the collective action with the throttle. Other sims, like EECH, have a nice linear progression, it's not jumpy or sensitive at all. 

Problem is with SCAS, not the display. It's still doing some weird stuff.

Try to disable collective channel or hold trim release while you are lifting in hover and see if that changes anything.

I, personally, don't use curves on any controls.

Edited March 9, 2023 by admiki

[Varry007]

I'm also curious at people sharing their settings. But i think we need to differentiate those using their throttle axxis as collective, and those using an actual collective (much longer axis, so higher resolution for the collective axis of the helicopter)

[pii]

On 3/8/2023 at 11:03 PM, Hootman9104 said:

Just wondering what others have it set at.

Since day 1 I've never been happy with the way my collective works, the percentages jump around as you begin to pull collective, then settles down as your push past 25% or so. 

Also has never seemed correct, way too sensitive in the midrange, and it feels as if there isn't a smooth percentage torque increase through the full travel.

So I think I've finally got it set where I like it, using a curve of 25. This seems to make the collective nice and responsive from about the 1/4-3/4 range of my HOTAS throttle, which equates to about the 30% to 100% torque (again, on my throttle) in that middle range of the throttle travel. It's now very nice, not sensitive at all and very smooth transitions from 30% to 100%, easy to fine tune and maintain a hover. Of course if for some crazy reason you reach the upper end of that curve, it does advance way too much, but if I'm flying correctly to begin with, I shouldn't be in that position anyway.

So just wondering what others have their collective control settings at? The 25% curve seems best to me, with X and Y at 100% (I've tried setting the Y here and there, but kinda feel like that needs to stay at 100%). 

Also, does anyone have a HOTAS where the throttle has a "100%" notch (detectable as you throttle up), and then past the notch is considered "afterburner" (I had a HOTAS once that had that, can't remember what type it was). If so, does the 100% throttle notch correlate to 100% torque in the Apache, and is past the torque past 100%.

No curves here

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

Warthog throttle. I used to have a curve of 15%. Now I don't use a curve but use the option for slider. I do however use curves for stick (15%) and rudder (10%).   

[corbu1]

I personally use no curves.

[Schlomo1933]

No curves

[Trigger]

No curves at all. Throttle and stick: HOTAS Cougar (modified), Stick 25 cm extended.

[Rogue Trooper]

No Curves.