fixed Frequent Crashing when being killed in an Mi-8

[TheThumper]

DCS Crash when on CWS in Mi-8.  Attached is logs and track (but it never plays back right).  I assume I got shot..... DCS just crashed.  No mods, playing on MT2D.  Hope it helps (but I didn't see anything in logs)

dcs.log Cold-War-Syria-v90_DME1-20230502-211723.trk

[TheThumper]

+1 to this, crash every time on Enigma CWS when I get killed.  Interesting it seems isolated to cold startup (if I read the thread above correctly).  Crash is still happening, several times yesterday to me.

I posted in this other thread and included logs and track, but games crashes without warning so expect not much there: 

 

 

I believe the trick here is to get @BIGNEWY and @Flappie to reproduce it then devs can do a debug session on it.  To accomplish this, believe these are the steps:

1. Join MP server in Mi-8
2. Cold Startup
3. Fly up and dive into ground hard enough to kill yourself 

NOTE: will test this method out shortly as I only experienced it flying mission

[BIGNEWY]

We will continue to investigate, thank you for the data

[TheThumper]

So crashing straight into ground from cold start does NOT produce a DCS Crash... just tried it twice on Enigma CWS.  What DID cause a DCS crash was the fly straight into the teeth of defense forces.  That replicated the DCS crash I am experiencing.  So the steps I listed above unfortunately won't cause the issue.

[BIGNEWY]

1 minute ago, TheThumper said:

So crashing straight into ground from cold start does NOT produce a DCS Crash... just tried it twice on Enigma CWS.  What DID cause a DCS crash was the fly straight into the teeth of defense forces.  That replicated the DCS crash I am experiencing.  So the steps I listed above unfortunately won't cause the issue.

we need data from the crashes, logs from the session and a track replay if short enough 

thanks

[TheThumper]

Yep, I posted logs and track in that other post linked above and will post them here next time I fly CWS (and DCS Crashes).  Unfortunately with the hard crash tracks don't play back correctly and I suspect logs won't show much either.  I was just trying to reproduce with simple mission and hosting server myself, but could not reproduce that way.  Took Vulkan to the face and DCS didn't crash.  Miz is attached anyway.  My experience so far has been on Enigma's CWS so maybe there is something there that is causing the goof.

Appreciate the attention/help to track this one down.

crashTesting.miz

[TheThumper]

DCS Crash to desktop just happened on Enigma CWS.  Attached are logs and tracks (I have 2 tracks basically same timestamp.... they restarted the mission on me and I can't tell which is which, but I think the larger sized one should be the one).

dcs.log Cold-War-Syria-v96_DME1-20230506-204823.trk Cold-War-Syria-v96_DME2-20230506-204311.trk

[Flappie]

On 5/4/2023 at 3:49 PM, TheThumper said:

I believe the trick here is to get @BIGNEWY and @Flappie to reproduce it then devs can do a debug session on it.  To accomplish this, believe these are the steps:

1. Join MP server in Mi-8
2. Cold Startup
3. Fly up and dive into ground hard enough to kill yourself 

NOTE: will test this method out shortly as I only experienced it flying mission

Hi. I've just tested this on Enigma's. No CTD for me. As you can see, I used the autostart. In case you don't, does DCS crash if you do use the autostart?

 

EDIT: sorry, I just caught up with another of your post. I'll try the other way to kill my pilot.

Edited May 7, 2023 by Flappie

[Flappie]

I've just been teamkilled by an allied aircraft and DCS did not crash. I'll test again, but I have a hard time finding the opposing force.

EDIT: Tried another run but I survived an attack (helo did not explode on the ground).

Edited May 7, 2023 by Flappie

[TheThumper]

Hey @Flappie, thanks for looking and it can be hard to find opposing force when you are trying to recreate the issue, but if you are trying to fly the mission they tend to find me :).  Last night it crashed on me dogfighting another helo and apparently I didn't clear them and collided :(.  Hung for about 30 seconds then crashed to desktop.  I usually do manual startup, but have recreated the issue using auto-start in case I missed something.  Seems related to pilot death for sure as I have crash landed several times with no DCS crash.

[Flappie]

New try: got killed by a F-5. No CTD.

Sorry, I'll move on to other issues.

[FusRoPotato]

Replaying the tracks posted in here appears to replicate the issue just fine, but doesn't always crash. Being able to reproduce a crash "sometimes" by repeating identical replays is a very specific kind of clue.

[Flappie]

Still no crash for me when replaying attached tracks.

[Murdock47]

On 3/20/2023 at 8:08 AM, Flappie said:

Hi. I tried this before in SP but couldn't replicate. Is that MP-only?

I get this in MP and Mission editor SP and Instant ACtion. Any time MI8 Pilot is killed, crashes straight to desktop. Does not happen in my A10, F18, Apache or Hind.

 

Doesn't matter the scenario, dead pilot = EXIT DCS

[Flappie]

Please attach what BIGNEWY asked for:

On 5/4/2023 at 4:46 PM, BIGNEWY said:

we need data from the crashes, logs from the session and a track replay if short enough 

thanks

It might help us replicate the issue.

[Slim_Kermie]

I did not encounter this problem until the most recent beta patch went live.

 

Cold-War-Syria-v111_DME1-20230625-070649.trk dcs.log

Edited June 25, 2023 by Slim_Kermie
Clarity

[MoleUK]

Yeah this problem is now back for sure. 6 CTD's so far, it's occuring in about 80% of deaths for me. Once when killed midair, all rest on death with impact into the ground.

No other CTD's for me, only on deaths in the hip.

Edited June 28, 2023 by MoleUK

[MoleUK]

Fingers crosses the next patch catches the bug, it's somewhat infuriating. I'm assuming it's the same bug that cropped up last time, seems to behave the same way.

No relevant track, log or error report is usually created with this sort of crash, so not much I can send in.

But here it is on video with the log for the flight if it helps, just skip to the end of the vid, was seeing if suiciding into the ground created the CTD reliably. It does.

 

dcs.log

Edited July 8, 2023 by MoleUK

[Flappie]

You were on Enigma server, right? Cold start?

I'll try once more.

[Flappie]

Do you always have troops aboard when the CTD happens?

[Flappie]

So new try on Enigma Cold War server: cold start, I took off then crasheed on the ground. No CTD for me.

[Flappie]

I tried once more on Enigma: cold start, I flew to a blue base, then Mi-8 was blown up to pieces by a Roland. Still no freeze/CTD.

Can you please try this?

1. Browse to "Saved Games/DCS...".
2. Rename your "Scripts" folder to "Scripts.bak".
3. Run DCS and try to reproduce the CTD.

[MoleUK]

17 hours ago, Flappie said:

I tried once more on Enigma: cold start, I flew to a blue base, then Mi-8 was blown up to pieces by a Roland. Still no freeze/CTD.

Can you please try this?

1. Browse to "Saved Games/DCS...".
2. Rename your "Scripts" folder to "Scripts.bak".
3. Run DCS and try to reproduce the CTD.

I will try that in a bit. But thought I'd try it in the mission editor first.

First try, instant CTD. Including the mission incase it's relevant, perhaps it's the weapon loadout that might be playing a part? At a guess it's something that happens when the hip dies a certain way. I have been pilot sniped mid air and not CTD'd, whereas most if not all crashes into the ground trigger it. Might be a certain explosion that's doing it. I did notice on one instance in MP the CTD happened before the server could even register my death.

Here's the vid, mission and log:

 

dcs.log hip ctd test.miz

[Flappie]

Thanks. I still cannot reproduce your issue.

[MoleUK]

5 minutes ago, Flappie said:

Thanks. I still cannot reproduce your issue.

Oof. This only re-appeared in the last patch for me personally.

Might try it in flatscreen later, but I think most of the people I've seen also having it were playing in 2d.

At the very end of this video you can see an instance of a death with no CTD. Might be because it broke apart rather than exploded? Yesterday I had a mid-air CTD when blasted by a missile, so it's not limited to ground deaths. But I'd say for me it's about 80% of deaths result in CTD atm.

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by MoleUK