quick question requires a quick answer: x52 pro collective invert or no invert?

[rapid]

Should I invert the Collective or leave it as it is?

Im using a x52Pro thruster.

[CyBerkut]

I would say you should do whichever feels best to you.

[nemises]

yes, invert (unless you don't want to ?)

[LoyalNine]

I inverted mine... after 2 nights I am still not used to it. After years of push forward for more juice I can't seem to reprogram my little brain.

[Zembla]

I inverted mine... after 2 nights I am still not used to it. After years of push forward for more juice I can't seem to reprogram my little brain.

 

I didn't invert mine. For that reason. Besides, the point of inverting it is to have it act more as a collective, but for that the hinge so to speak should be tilted 90°. The throttle isn't a traditional collective, so there's little point trying to emulate it being one.

 

-Z

[ruprecht]

Pull for power.

[Lobo_63]

Invert. If you don't you might as well turn on arcade mode. ;)

[rapid]

Wow looks like everyone says to invert the trottle.

[CyBerkut]

Not everyone. If you're pushing it forward and pulling back, as you would normally operate the X52 throttle for fixed wing operation, then it is really very subjective as to what is "best" for you. Like LoyalNine, when I have mine setup to pull back for more collective, I find it non-intuitive / unnatural. I agree with Zembla... if you are going to mount it so that the handle goes up and down instead, then by all means set it up to pull up for more collective. If you are staying with a forward and back motion, do whatever feels good to you!

[ruprecht]

Sure, push for power, turn on arcade mode, use labels, whatever. You paid your money, you play it your way.

 

But if you want to play is as close to the real deal as is possible given the limitations of the software and hardware - pull for power.

[Sunjah]

NO!

[Zembla]

Sure, push for power, turn on arcade mode, use labels, whatever. You paid your money, you play it your way.

 

But if you want to play is as close to the real deal as is possible given the limitations of the software and hardware - pull for power.

 

That's the point, this is purism where it serves little use. As CyBerkut said, if you're going to mount it so that you have to pull up or push down on the throttle to have an according collective input, sure, invert the axis. If not you're not gonna come close to the collective feel anyway, and you might as well go for the setup you're used to.

 

Even then, implying pushing for power is akin to arcade mode is... misplaced elitism at best.

 

-Z

[CyBerkut]

Sure, push for power, turn on arcade mode, use labels, whatever. You paid your money, you play it your way.

 

But if you want to play is as close to the real deal as is possible given the limitations of the software and hardware - pull for power.

 

That's a rather arbitrary line to draw. It can as easily be said:

But if you want to play it as close to the real deal as is possible given the limitations of the software and hardware - mount the throttle to pivot up and down and then pull for increased collective.

 

Hell, move the arbitrary bar a little higher, and insist that one must rig up a collective bar, (like Urze's collective mod).

 

IMO, we'll do more to advance enjoyable participation by a wider audience if we recognize the things that are subjective, and refrain from equating an approach that differs from our own (on those subjective things) as equivalent to playing arcade mode (with the derogatory implication that acompanies that).

[SuperKungFu]

ok at the end of the day....we are all sitting in front of a computer so do what it feels best for you. I still left it to push. I personally don't see the reason to invert it, doesn't feel like the real thing unless you built a ka-50 cockpit. So do what you think its best.

[ruprecht]

I have a cockpit and it never feels like the real thing (which I have done). What matters to me is what is closest possible, given the limitations of my hardware and software, to the real thing.

 

I honestly don't care how people choose to play. If you want to push for power, knock yourself out. But don't try and say that it is just as realistic or more realistic than pulling. Man up and admit that you are making a decision to sacrifice a little bit of authenticity in exchange for playability.

 

Labels, arcade mode, invulnerability, unlimited ammo, simplified flight model, and yes, pushing for power, are all decisions we make in the interests of playability and if you choose to use them, all power to you. If that's how you roll, hey man it's your money.

 

The original question was "should I". That was an invitation for personal opinion. This is mine. Yours is different. If you're feeling insecure because you couldn't "retrain your brains" from flying jet sims, don't try to make yourself feel better by invoking the term "elitist". I am simply stating a fact that on a sliding scale of grey, pulling for power is closer to authenticity than pushing. If authenticity is your thing, there's your answer. If not, cool, whatever.

[ruprecht]

That's a rather arbitrary line to draw. It can as easily be said:

But if you want to play it as close to the real deal as is possible given the limitations of the software and hardware - mount the throttle to pivot up and down and then pull for increased collective.

 

Hell, move the arbitrary bar a little higher, and insist that one must rig up a collective bar, (like Urze's collective mod).

 

I never said that one must do that. But yes, all your suggestions would move somebody closer to authenticity. If that is your thing, go for it. Pulling for power is more authentic than pushing. Side-mounting collective style is yet more authentic. Building a collective is yet more authentic. Where you draw the line is up to you, but arguing that pushing for power is just as authentic as pulling is wrong.

[rapid]

darn its a good thing i didn't ask if one should spit or swallow :cry:. Some really great points here guys.

I realise that at the end of the day the choice shall be my own but im glad to have the responses that I have had. what I may do is try both ways and settle on what feels best.:thumbup:

[leonsilver]

+1 Invert ;)

[rapid]

Seems to be more people opting for the invert.

[815TooCooL]

I inverted.

[DragonRR]

Not inverted. I actually tried it inverted for awhile at the begining but found that the biting point on the X52 throttle coincided with the beeping from over stress so I swapped back. Totally agree that pushing forward is not as realistic as pulling back and if the biting point was the other way round I would go for pulling back. However, I think overly stressing about which way is far too anal.:smilewink:

[therion_prime]

uhm ruprecht, pushing or pulling a completely unrealistic fighter-style throttle is either way unrealistic.

 

I don't understand why you're that obsessed in having to pull the throttle that is moving vertically (yes -> unrealistic) and implying that it's arcade mode. :shocking:

 

I didn't invert mine as I'm used to push for power.

[ruprecht]

I didn't invert mine as I'm used to push for power.

 

You do it because you're used to it and you are not prepared to retrain yourself to do it the somewhat less un-authentic way. All power to you.

 

You're really not getting what I'm saying mate. read this again and again until it sinks in:

 

I am simply stating a fact that on a sliding scale of grey, pulling for power is closer to authenticity than pushing.

Edited February 11, 2009 by ruprecht

[WynnTTr]

pushing or pulling, both feel nice.

[Bonkers]

Although I'd like to pull, I push.

 

Reason: I also fly RC helicopters so don't want to confuse my aged brain, a fraction of a second's hesitation and I might wipe out a grand's worth of model.