correct as is Spyglass VR zoom is missing now?

[YoYo]

Hi,

after the last patch, or patch before .... I lost Spyglass option in keybinds. Are they present still? Cant find it ....

Edited April 18, 2023 by YoYo

[YoYo]

False alarm, sorry . It's present still. I forgot where it was and maybe I removed it last time. Works again. 

Edited April 18, 2023 by YoYo

[Chaos_Out]

This actually has changed.  There used to be an option for this in each aircraft, which IS missing.  I just came back after a break and noticed none were working, and that the aircraft specific binding option was removed.  @BIGNEWY Why were the individual bindings removed?  There are some aircraft that I can't have the same zoom keybind for, so having an option for each aircraft worked great.  This is now an all or nothing for me. 

 

EDIT: referring to both VR Spyglass Zoom and VR Zoom

Edited May 24, 2023 by Chaos_Out

[BIGNEWY]

Hi, 

moving the spyglass zoom to the UI Layer is by design, but I will pass on your feedback. 

thanks

[Temetre]

vor 26 Minuten schrieb BIGNEWY:

Hi, 

moving the spyglass zoom to the UI Layer is by design, but I will pass on your feedback. 

thanks

Btw, idk if possible, but it would be really nice if the VR-zoom keys wouldnt conflict with non-VR zoom keys. When I play 2D, I put zoom keys on my HOTAS, but VR has a seperate set of zoom keys that I would like to put on the HOTAS as well.

As in, 2D disables the VR zoom keys and VR disables the 2D zoom keys. But the configurator doesnt allow us to use the same buttons for those two functions.

Edited May 23, 2023 by Temetre

[YoYo]

22 hours ago, Chaos_Out said:

This actually has changed.  There used to be an option for this in each aircraft, which IS missing.  I just came back after a break and noticed none were working, and that the aircraft specific binding option was removed.  @BIGNEWY Why were the individual bindings removed?  There are some aircraft that I can't have the same zoom keybind for, so having an option for each aircraft worked great.  This is now an all or nothing for me. 

 

Now its ok I suppose, the settings is in general options (UI), not for individuals modules so it works for all.

[Chaos_Out]

3 hours ago, YoYo said:

Now its ok I suppose, the settings is in general options (UI), not for individuals modules so it works for all.

My issue is that I don't have any single binding that would work across ALL aircraft.  Perhaps the devs forgot we don't have full access to a keyboard since we have our headsets on.  Due to what some aircraft require, even my modifier is different across some aircraft, which can be a pain to recall sometimes (like coming back from my break), but luckily I've flown my preferred aircraft enough to where I can remember pretty quickly.

Edited May 24, 2023 by Chaos_Out

[Ephedrin]

Am 23.5.2023 um 19:07 schrieb BIGNEWY:

Hi, 

moving the spyglass zoom to the UI Layer is by design, but I will pass on your feedback. 

thanks

REALLY bad design decision and not at all comprehensible or necessary. I have different setups for different aircraft, for example can I use the zoom of most aircraft on the paddle switch of my warthog hotas. But not every aircraft, the Mig21 for example has a brake lever at this position, so I assigned the brakes to the pedal switch and the zoom was on the thumb button depress. Or take the F18, same situation, VR zoom on the thumb button because the pedal is definitely necessary for what it actually is, AP off, G override.

But I can't just set the VR zoom to the thumb button in general because this is the force trim button in helicopters.

Please, it's fine to put it into UI Layer for those who use the same setup for everything... But bring the selection back individually, it's absolutely not usable for me and I suppose many others how it is now.

 

Oh btw.. not only the SPYGLASS but the VR zoom AT ALL.

Edited May 28, 2023 by Ephedrin

[YoYo]

Yes but before you had modules with Spyglass and without. For example I havent this setting for Gazelle and Hawk for example. Now I have for all  even if the developer forget about it. I think is better now.

[Griefhard]

It's 2025 and this still is an issue, for me at least. I use different HOTAS, but same bases. Orion 2 for example with F15EX handles and Navyace handles. And I use a stick base with F16 stick and F18 stick. So I have to use different keys for VR Spyglass and VR Zoom.

@BIGNEWY can you please pass this along, again?

[BIGNEWY]

Hi, I can mention it again to the team, but can not promise anything. 

thank you 

[Flappie]

15 hours ago, Griefhard said:

It's 2025 and this still is an issue, for me at least. I use different HOTAS, but same bases. Orion 2 for example with F15EX handles and Navyace handles. And I use a stick base with F16 stick and F18 stick. So I have to use different keys for VR Spyglass and VR Zoom.

@BIGNEWY can you please pass this along, again?

DCS Controls page allows you to assign several buttons to the same command. Isn't it a satisfying solution for you?

[Griefhard]

20 hours ago, Flappie said:

DCS Controls page allows you to assign several buttons to the same command. Isn't it a satisfying solution for you?

Unfortunately ... not.

Example: In the F18, I use Thrustmaster's F18 Stick on a Virpil base. In the A10C, I use Thrustmaster's A10 Stick on that Virpil base. When I now assign a button on the A10 Stick to VR Spyglass (for example), it may interfere with the controls in the F18, once I change out the sticks.

So it would be much easier to have this option per aircraft, because only then you can truly have a non conflicted solution.

There are solutions with 3rd party software, but it would be much easier to have this option in DCS.

[Flappie]

I understand now, thank you.

[Griefhard]

For everyone who also struggles with this:

My solution is, I use the third party software Joy2Key and have different profiles for different aircraft.

In DCS I bind keys to the two VR zoom options.

In Joy2Key I then bind these keys to the buttons I want to use for the VR Zoom.

Last step is deleting the button-bindings in the aircraft section in DCS, so that these buttons (on the HOTAS) have no function in DCS.

It works quite well, although means running another program in the background. It also needs to be preselected when chosing your desired aircraft, but since I change HOTAS for that, I usually pick the desired aircraft for the gaming session anyways.