Roadmap (11-05-23)

[Loukuins]

20 hours ago, LTC123apple said:

Interesting! As I said, not really a expert in any semblance of the word, so thanks for the information about the E variant that I did not know!

Np for not being an expert haha. Glad that you liked the informations I shared, there is a french book that talks about the Mirage F1 cockpits and it tells a LOT about the capabilities of the different variant of the Mirage F1, and it has mainly 2 family of Mirage F1, the ones with the Sight and no INS, and the others who had HUD with PCAM and an INS.
There is also a third family with a TV for the Radar and Other usage and a HUD PCAM and INS, like the F1EQ-5 and EQ-6 and CR were into that family of Mirage F1.

[Bremspropeller]

48 minutes ago, Loukuins said:

Np for not being an expert haha. Glad that you liked the informations I shared, there is a french book that talks about the Mirage F1 cockpits and it tells a LOT about the capabilities of the different variant of the Mirage F1, and it has mainly 2 family of Mirage F1, the ones with the Sight and no INS, and the others who had HUD with PCAM and an INS.

Tell me more about it

[ThorBrasil]

On 8/21/2023 at 3:25 AM, fausete said:

Hi brems,

It will be available soon. You will get some more news and probably be able to take a look at it very soon!

I bought the Mirage F1 because of the M version. I can't wait for it to be released. I hope it does not take long!

[Loukuins]

20 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Tell me more about it

You know the special edition of Cocardes that talks about the Mirage F1 cockpits here the link : Cocardes Digital Hors-Série n°01 (dogfight-editions.com) 

18 hours ago, ThorBrasil said:

I bought the Mirage F1 because of the M version. I can't wait for it to be released. I hope it does not take long!

The BE is not even out, so expect a year maybe until the release of the M, it will depend a lot of how hard it will be for aerges and how much time they already spent on the M, so yeah don't expect it to be close ^^

Edited August 23, 2023 by Loukuins

[Bremspropeller]

1 hour ago, Loukuins said:

You know the special edition of Cocardes that talks about the Mirage F1 cockpits here the link : Cocardes Digital Hors-Série n°01 (dogfight-editions.com) 

Thanks a lot!

[Byzantine_SK]

Is there any information on when the tutorials will be complete including the EE variant?

[LTC123apple]

On 8/23/2023 at 11:48 AM, Loukuins said:

You know the special edition of Cocardes that talks about the Mirage F1 cockpits here the link : Cocardes Digital Hors-Série n°01 (dogfight-editions.com) 

The BE is not even out, so expect a year maybe until the release of the M, it will depend a lot of how hard it will be for aerges and how much time they already spent on the M, so yeah don't expect it to be close ^^

 

I mean they showed cockpit photos of the M before the release of the CE so wouldn't be crazy surprised if they release it in 2023 or q1 2024

[Bremspropeller]

The BE is going to be next, which is also very close to the CE and hence has less programming effort (unlessconsidering the whole multicrew aspect).

The M has different systems-architecture (HUD, NAV/Attack computer, etc), so some additional programming effort will need to go in there.

[fausete]

Hi guys! The BE has actually required a significant coding effort, a different type of effort than the M requires but still. Even planning for a two seater in advance, some amount of refactoring is required and some other things are just not possible to have 'automatically' coded for the rear cockpit. In any case, we're very close to give you more news about it.

[Loukuins]

6 hours ago, LTC123apple said:

I mean they showed cockpit photos of the M before the release of the CE so wouldn't be crazy surprised if they release it in 2023 or q1 2024

It was only 3D, none of the coding of the different systems were shown, 3D is only a small part of the work, the coding is he biggest one because you can issues that lead to hold in the code and such, be patient and let Aerges work at their pace and they will bring what they promised

Also the INS is all new, there is a MFD with multiples pages to code, CCIP and CCRP to code. 
New radar screen aswell, and new weapons to add with a way more advanced weapon computer and a brand new HUD that combine Mirage 2000C and F/A-18C in terms of informations on the screen, also new radios (2 green from the 2000C), and much more.

[fausete]

Apart from the F-104 announcement, the newsletter contains screenshots from the BE, including a look at the sight repeater.

[LTC123apple]

On 8/25/2023 at 6:33 AM, Loukuins said:

It was only 3D, none of the coding of the different systems were shown, 3D is only a small part of the work, the coding is he biggest one because you can issues that lead to hold in the code and such, be patient and let Aerges work at their pace and they will bring what they promised

Also the INS is all new, there is a MFD with multiples pages to code, CCIP and CCRP to code. 
New radar screen aswell, and new weapons to add with a way more advanced weapon computer and a brand new HUD that combine Mirage 2000C and F/A-18C in terms of informations on the screen, also new radios (2 green from the 2000C), and much more.

yea I know, aint saying they should rush to meet a deadline or anything, just giving a guess for when it might come out, yea they should for sure take all the time they feel they need (part of what makes Aerges such a good dev)

Edited August 27, 2023 by LTC123apple

[Grimleo]

Yep, Aerges is a good developer. They still communicate with us. Poor souls.

[Vibora]

9 hours ago, Grimleo said:

Yep, Aerges is a good developer. They still communicate with us. Poor souls.

We like challenges.

[peeter]

I don't see on your roadmap the ability to change laser code on GBU ?

So it's only gonna be with editor ? because on dynamic server we can't change it...

And great job for the F1, I love it.

[Harlikwin]

7 hours ago, Vibora said:

We like challenges.

How about a challenge to develop a better radar model than what Razbam has in the M2k/F15. 

 

[riojax]

14 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

How about a challenge to develop a better radar model than what Razbam has in the M2k/F15. 

 

^THIS.

[Vibora]

That's not a challenge, that's part of the normal development of our module.

[Harlikwin]

5 hours ago, Vibora said:

That's not a challenge, that's part of the normal development of our module.

I will look forward to videos explaining how the backend works like razbam showed. 

[Loukuins]

1 hour ago, Harlikwin said:

I will look forward to videos explaining how the backend works like razbam showed. 

They already said they are working on a proper radar model, right now it has noise at high altitude tho in the real plane he didn't have that much.

[Harlikwin]

2 hours ago, Loukuins said:

They already said they are working on a proper radar model, right now it has noise at high altitude tho in the real plane he didn't have that much.

Yes basic radar behavior for pretty much any low PRF pulse radar (aka Mr Cyrano) is the following

High alt vs high alt target, basically little clutter, and should give the best performance. 

Low alt looking up, reputedly usable, both the South Africans and the Iraqis managed to use their radars in this sort of regime to get kills. Though there should be issues with sidelobe clutter from the antenna. (modern planar arrays have pretty low side lobes, Cassegrain designs like the mirage used have significant side lobes in comparison). 

Higher alt vs lower alt target, lots of main lobe clutter, but minimal side lobe clutter, target not resolvable unless using techniques like MTI. And MTI may or may not be very good depending on the implementation, this is where alot of detail will have to be, you have to contend with non-perfect cancellation because IRL it wasn't and then you likely still have further issues like blind speeds and so forth. Again, reputedly Cyrano was not a particularly good performer according to pilot accounts in this specific regime.

Low alt vs Low alt. Basically the same as the High alt looking down case due to stronger ground clutter from the main lobe, and then of course the famous side lobe problems that antennas of the type used on the Mirage were famous for suffering from. So it should be mostly useless in this situation.

 

Currently what it looks like we have is the FC3 radar with a sparkly graphic. Given what razbam has managed to achieve with actual physics based modeling and correctly modeling high/medium PRF PD processing for their radars, I'd hope Aerges can at least do the same for the Cyrano IV though modeling a low PRF MTI radar will be quite different.

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Harlikwin

[MAXsenna]

38 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

Yes basic radar behavior for pretty much any low PRF pulse radar (aka Mr Cyrano) is the following

High alt vs high alt target, basically little clutter, and should give the best performance. 

Low alt looking up, reputedly usable, both the South Africans and the Iraqis managed to use their radars in this sort of regime to get kills. Though there should be issues with sidelobe clutter from the antenna. (modern planar arrays have pretty low side lobes, Cassegrain designs like the mirage used have significant side lobes in comparison). 

Higher alt vs lower alt target, lots of main lobe clutter, but minimal side lobe clutter, target not resolvable unless using techniques like MTI. And MTI may or may not be very good depending on the implementation, this is where alot of detail will have to be, you have to contend with non-perfect cancellation because IRL it wasn't and then you likely still have further issues like blind speeds and so forth. Again, reputedly Cyrano was not a particularly good performer according to pilot accounts in this specific regime.

Low alt vs Low alt. Basically the same as the High alt looking down case due to stronger ground clutter from the main lobe, and then of course the famous side lobe problems that antennas of the type used on the Mirage were famous for suffering from. So it should be mostly useless in this situation.

 

Currently what it looks like we have is the FC3 radar with a sparkly graphic. Given what razbam has managed to achieve with actual physics based modeling and correctly modeling high/medium PRF PD processing for their radars, I'd hope Aerges can at least do the same for the Cyrano IV though modeling a low PRF MTI radar will be quite different.

 

 

Hopefully we can get this.
I read and follow your posts on radars in general with enthusiasm. I'm not sarcastic, you really should think about starting a 3rd party radar developer and just sell radar modules to other 3rd parties so no one needs to reinvent the wheel!

Cheers!

[Hatman335]

28 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

I read and follow your posts on radars in general with enthusiasm. I'm not sarcastic, you really should think about starting a 3rd party radar developer and just sell radar modules to other 3rd parties so no one needs to reinvent the wheel!

 

Nah, he's the FLIR man. We need him to rework the FLIR and general seeker behaviour all across the sim.

[Harlikwin]

1 hour ago, MAXsenna said:

Hopefully we can get this.
I read and follow your posts on radars in general with enthusiasm. I'm not sarcastic, you really should think about starting a 3rd party radar developer and just sell radar modules to other 3rd parties so no one needs to reinvent the wheel!

Cheers!

We already have a few. Galinette from razbam did a fantastic job on the M2k and SE. I'm sure HB has a good coder too. I look forward to adding Aerges to the good radar model list.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Harlikwin

[MAXsenna]

We already have a few. Galinette from razbam did a fantastic job on the M2k and SE. I'm sure HB has a good coder too. I look forward to adding Aerges to the good radar model list.

Roger!

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Nah, he's the FLIR man. We need him to rework the FLIR and general seeker behaviour all across the sim.

Yeah that too! There was some vivid description of how NVGs actually should look a few years back.

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