Now that SINAI is out... how long for F15E ?

[Rosebud47]

vor 29 Minuten schrieb AhSoul:

You're surprised that software has bugs BEFORE it gets released?

What a naive comment. People already paid due to the long time ongoing marketing campaign. Don´t get me wrong: I do love to support start-ups by kickstarter campaigns, but this is not what we´re dealing with here. 

My critique focuses is particular to some 3rd party developer. The newer ED modules in early access are, maybe with minor exceptions, bug free, while not being feature complete in early access release, what is to be expected and fine as it is.  

Again it is obviously, that some distribution is focused on money as soon as possible and not on delivering a complete product in time as expected. After the release of the F-15E you will see a significant stretch in time to complete the module, even and BECAUSE it is already paid by the people. Why streching the development after release? Because resources are taken away to develop new graphics, announce and sell for another product long before in advanced of early access release. 

ED should urgently sensibilize the 3rd party devs. to not even meet solid standards with their products, but also sensitize them to solid and reasonable standards in the marketing-, release- and completion process. 

Thank you.

[AhSoul]

20 minutes ago, Rosebud47 said:

What a naive comment.

Eh?

You said (and appeared to be complaining that) "Now the modules are bugged even before they get released into early access." which makes zero sense. Software will have bugs before it it released, and will STILL have bugs after release in this case, since the release in question is into Early Access, not final state. We should expect bugs all the way through EA.

Edited June 13, 2023 by AhSoul

[AhSoul]

If you're complaining about the whole concept of EA, then fine you can do that. But I don't see how you can complain about bugs being found before something even releases, given the point of testing things before they release is to find bugs 

[Rosebud47]

Go ahead, if you want to spend hundreds of dollars to have a bunch of incomplete and bugged flight-sims after 10 years. 

[AhSoul]

2 minutes ago, Rosebud47 said:

Go ahead, if you want to spend hundreds of dollars to have a bunch of incomplete and bugged flight-sims after 10 years. 

So you're saying don't do EA, just do full releases when the module is feature complete and bug free?

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just trying to work out what we're actually debating

[AhSoul]

The theory is that everyone wins with the EA model.

• The developer gets cashflow earlier
• The people that don't mind bugs/missing features get to use the product earlier
• Those that don't want bugs/missing features can wait until the product is complete

Of course that assumes the developer completes the product at some stage.....

[Beirut]

9 minutes ago, Rosebud47 said:

Go ahead, if you want to spend hundreds of dollars to have a bunch of incomplete and bugged flight-sims after 10 years. 

 

Yes please.

 

Too old and impatient to wait. Gimme my Strike Eagle. I'll make friends with the bugs. 

[Rosebud47]

@AhSoul Appreciate your polite communication, even we´re not of the same opinion. There are always people, who push the limits to exploid others.

[bfr]

1 hour ago, Rosebud47 said:

Go ahead, if you want to spend hundreds of dollars to have a bunch of incomplete and bugged flight-sims after 10 years. 

Can you name this elusive flight sim for which v1.0 was released feature-complete and it needed nothing fixing?

[Rosebud47]

I´m happy, when I get in expected and reasonable time, what I´ve paid for. Delivering the bugs before delivering the module is ridiculous.

[NFG2012]

15 hours ago, munckmb said:

"It was jointly decided between RAZBAM and EDSA leadership that the F-15E required additional time to test and address bugs identified by EDSA internal testing/Closed Beta Testing (CBT). Whilst we had an internal milestone goal, it was just that, a goal and that was never a public/official release date to move." 

This is a pretty clear statement from Wags. You are not implying he talks mud right?

Smoke and mirrors, no one wants to out with the truth as the truth would be more damaging than the lie , at this point I just find it amusing 

[NFG2012]

1 hour ago, Beirut said:

 

Yes please.

 

Too old and impatient to wait. Gimme my Strike Eagle. I'll make friends with the bugs. 

Agreed

[munckmb]

10 minutes ago, NFG2012 said:

Smoke and mirrors, no one wants to out with the truth as the truth would be more damaging than the lie , at this point I just find it amusing 

How do you know? Do you have more info? Or just a 'feeing'. I'm not defending the lack of communication, it's just plain rude to call Wags a liar. 

[eaglecash867]

I pre-ordered mine in February to take advantage of the discount that was being offered, and then moved on with life, knowing it would be several months just like it was with every other EA that I pre-ordered in the past.  Lots of other things going on, and never enough hours in the day to worry too much about this one thing.  No worries.  

[Hiob]

8 minutes ago, eaglecash867 said:

I pre-ordered mine in February to take advantage of the discount that was being offered, and then moved on with life, knowing it would be several months just like it was with every other EA that I pre-ordered in the past.  Lots of other things going on, and never enough hours in the day to worry too much about this one thing.  No worries.  

How refreshing, to read some sane point of view! 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

There is no software without bugs^TM.  DCS has bugs all along, I am not sure what some people are "talking" about.

[NFG2012]

2 hours ago, munckmb said:

How do you know? Do you have more info? Or just a 'feeing'. I'm not defending the lack of communication, it's just plain rude to call Wags a liar. 

Trust who you want, personally I trust knowone till they show me they can be, businesses are businesses, humans are humans, and I think I've been around long enough to make my own mind up about that and not let someone else do it for me. 

[Despayre]

On 6/12/2023 at 5:59 AM, Cann0nF0dd3r said:

You're totally missing the point. 

Says someone that doesn't work at either company,

has no idea what's actually going on

has no idea when the release date actually will be

has no idea what internal testing problems were discovered

has no idea what the actual problems (if any) are, and what it takes to fix them

has no idea if there's any connection to the Sinai map at all in the first place

has no idea if the decision to delay came from Razbam or ED, or both

has no real stake in getting the module out, and as bug-free as possible (and pls, don't start telling me the 50 bucks you spent on pre-order is some kind of lifechanging dollar amount)

but somehow, actual beta testers who've seen this rodeo time and time again, and who have an awful lot of experience with these things, are the ones missing the point?

 

I think not. The irony is rich.

[NineLine]

On 6/9/2023 at 8:50 AM, SouthernCross said:

According to Razbam, the reason is not about F-15E

That was an older poorly worded comment the module is finishing up testing, and when ready it will release. This doesn't mean there is an issue with the module, as stated before it's going through normal release steps.

We wanted to respond about this false assumption that the Sinai map had any impact on the F-15E release. The F-15E release gating item is based on testing, bug fixing, and providing content.

Locking this thread now, thanks.